If we're going on the grounds that "holding the gem requires X levels of durability", then the Lizard shouldn't be able to scratch Ronan.
I just don't know if that's true. eg Would someone with an extremely powerful mind like Xavier be able to use the Gem without exploding, even though his durability is that of a human?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He had him in a choke hold with one hand, Drax started punching him and it didn't do anything. Its in the video I posted earlier.
Ah... good call. Actually now that I rewatched that vid, Ronan did have a good strength feat in there, where he did a casual palm thrust and it sent Drax flying back a good number of meters. Not sure if it's enough to match Lizard but it's definitely a solid strength feat.
Right now I'd change my opinion to thinking he's within Spiderman's strength level.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Is Spiderman strength level above or below Asgardians like Loki, Heimdall, Lady Siff and the others?
Don't know. I usually rate it below because although Spiderman has bigger feats (catching a car) he does it with more effort than what the Asgardians do (casually palming a car). And Lady Sif also sent a human flying with a palm thrust way farther than Ronan was able to knock back Drax. Then again, that was a human.
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Thor caught Hulk's punch...that would be well beyonf Spidey strength.
Yea he did, but it's hard to base that hit. If we assume all hulks hits are as hard as the leviathan hit. In the first Bana movie they had a hulk website that told you how much pounds per square inch he had. I'll try and find it.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Not really, though, cause we know how strong Dax is, he was able to crush robots with his bare hands.It would be like calling Captain a slouch for not being able to take down Loki. Dax was extremely strong, but Ronin was just leagues above him.
Pulling apart a relatively human sized droid isn't above anything Lizard did though. Lizard's combination of strength and claws allowed him to shred things (including metal and concrete) simply by grabbing them. Nor is anything Ronan did physically greater than anything Lizard did. Ronan was stronger than Drax? Lizard was stronger than Spiderman (who was also catching the falling vehicles with his webbing during the bridge scene). Fact is there is no single feat achieved by Ronan without the gem that puts him at a higher strength level to Lizard. Hell, what proof do we have that gem-less Ronan can withstand getting swiped by claws that can casually turn concrete to rubble?
It isn't at all the same thing. I never called Ronan or Drax a slouch or even implied as much. But acting like someone fights at exactly the same level while drunk and sober is less sensible than making the conclusion that Drax would have performed better against Ronan than he did in the film. You don't have the same reactions or co-ordination when drunk as you do when sober. That's just fact.
The point is Ronan IS stronger and faster than Drax. And Drax was not operating at 100% efficiency either. He ISN'T stronger and faster than Lizard, going by feats (at best he is in the same ballpark), and Lizard won't be blotto drunk when fighting him either. Where as Lizard fought and would have killed Spiderman, who, based on feats, is a hell of a lot more impressive than a drunk Drax is. Ronan lacks feats showing he can fight with someone on Spiderman/Lizard's level. His one showing is against a guy who was physically slower and weaker than him (and Spiderman or Lizard), and drunk to boot.
So I am still sticking with Lizard for this.
Originally posted by FrothByte
They seem to be bullet proof for one. In fact, they have yet to be injured by any man-made weapon.As for strength, they do push around cars and trucks quite easier than ASM. Though ASM has a better feat where he catches a car (a feat that no Asgardian has as of yet), the Asgardians just seem to do their strength feats a bit more effortlessly.
Well, I noted the piercing resistance. But all the Spiderman characters have shown great blunt force resistance etc. like him getting rammed by a speeding vehicle in the beginning of the 2nd film and it not even winding him.
That still puts them around the same level, and Lizard was capable of overpowering Peter with one hand when they were fighting in the sewers.
I'd put the average Asgardian in the same class, but certainly not better overall than Lizard. Even his greater vulnerability to certain damage types is countered by his regeneration, which allows him to regrow entire appendages within seconds.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Pulling apart a relatively human sized droid isn't above anything Lizard did though. Lizard's combination of strength and claws allowed him to shred things (including metal and concrete) simply by grabbing them. Nor is anything Ronan did physically greater than anything Lizard did. Ronan was stronger than Drax? Lizard was stronger than Spiderman (who was also catching the falling vehicles with his webbing during the bridge scene). Fact is there is no single feat achieved by Ronan without the gem that puts him at a higher strength level to Lizard. Hell, what proof do we have that gem-less Ronan can withstand getting swiped by claws that can casually turn concrete to rubble?It isn't at all the same thing. I never called Ronan or Drax a slouch or even implied as much. But acting like someone fights at exactly the same level while drunk and sober is less sensible than making the conclusion that Drax would have performed better against Ronan than he did in the film. You don't have the same reactions or co-ordination when drunk as you do when sober. That's just fact.
The point is Ronan IS stronger and faster than Drax. And Drax was not operating at 100% efficiency either. He ISN'T stronger and faster than Lizard, going by feats (at best he is in the same ballpark), and Lizard won't be blotto drunk when fighting him either. Where as Lizard fought and would have killed Spiderman, who, based on feats, is a hell of a lot more impressive than a drunk Drax is. Ronan lacks feats showing he can fight with someone on Spiderman/Lizard's level. His one showing is against a guy who was physically slower and weaker than him (and Spiderman or Lizard), and drunk to boot.
So I am still sticking with Lizard for this.
That's cool I respect your opinion👆
I lack screen feats, but I know the level these guys operate, in my opinion they are just above earth class heroes, even Spider-Man.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
That's cool I respect your opinion👆I lack screen feats, but I know the level these guys operate, in my opinion they are just above earth class heroes, even Spider-Man.
I just personally feel he lacks feats. Which is why I was pissed off when they killed him. 😠
He had potential to be a great recurring villain in the MCU. But yeah, based on what feats he has, I would ideally rate him around the level of one of the Warriors Three (so above average Asgardian). But sadly, too much of this is speculation, because he only has the one fight to really go off.