Originally posted by cdtm
PC Mon El just about knocked himself out charging into Val. And he's tanked the Atomic Axe..
Like I said, big fish in a little pond. You literally can not compare PC era characters to anything short of Mighty Mouse, Grape Ape, and the Power Puff Girls. There is no means of actually measuring these inconsistent characters to present day characters. None. Then you have the OP actually having the gall to argue the point in the thread that they made. You have to wonder what the agenda for this was.
Originally posted by Stoic
Like I said, big fish in a little pond. You literally can not compare PC era characters to anything short of Mighty Mouse, Grape Ape, and the Power Puff Girls. There is no means of actually measuring these inconsistent characters to present day characters. None. Then you have the OP actually having the gall to argue the point in the thread that they made. You have to wonder what the agenda for this was.
Validus was a dozen times more powerful than Superboy.
So if you're going to use ABC logic, try using SBP at what, twenty times strength against Worthy. See how it goes.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh we can. Just look at SBP. He was far weaker than PC Superboy. Look how he treated heralds in DC.Validus was a dozen times more powerful than Superboy.
So if you're going to use ABC logic, try using SBP at what, twenty times strength against Worthy. See how it goes.
Doesn't matter. None of the PC era continuity is canon now. If it were DC wouldn't have gone above and beyond measure to eliminate all of the wackiness that came out of that era. And no, Prime was stronger than PC Validus, unless you're saying that he would have trouble destroying a planet. Just drop it, we won't see eye to eye on something as inconsistent as that era of comic writing. It should literally be banned from discussions because there is no way to accurately compare it to present day characters.
Don't even attempt to make sense or compare the feats of these days to these days. An argument can not be made on either side. As such I can make claim that present day characters would wipe the floor with those guys, and simply write off the feats by saying that the very substance that the PC era DC universe was made of very weak stuff in comparison to these days. I can say anything, because PC DC lacked continuity from virtually every perspective. It's literally like arguing who would win a fight between Popeye and present day Superman, or Wily Coyote vs Thor.
If we can't even make a Magneto vs Star Killer thread which happens to be easier to argue, how are we arguing PC DC vs anything other than characters from that particular era? So what Superman sneezed and erased a bunch of planets, but then turns around and gets nailed in the head by an average bank robber and hurt by the blow, I could simply say that those planets were made up of very weak materials to explain how he actually did that but was then hurt by an average everyday bank robber that nailed him in the back of the head. By feats, the bank robber would have been able to destroy a universe if he hurt the guy capable of doing so. Right?
But current characters also have their low showings.
Shall I turn around and say a gas station KOed Superman (post Crisis)?
Shadowhawk humiliated Superman with his speed?
Hulk was KOed by a snake, and more recently, by a gorilla?
Thor was too slow for Mongoose, and Wolverine?
Silver Surfer was arm barred by Panther?
Originally posted by Stoic
Doesn't matter. None of the PC era continuity is canon now. If it were DC wouldn't have gone above and beyond measure to eliminate all of the wackiness that came out of that era. And no, Prime was stronger than PC Validus, unless you're saying that he would have trouble destroying a planet. Just drop it, we won't see eye to eye on something as inconsistent as that era of comic writing. It should literally be banned from discussions because there is no way to accurately compare it to present day characters.Don't even attempt to make sense or compare the feats of these days to these days. An argument can not be made on either side. As such I can make claim that present day characters would wipe the floor with those guys, and simply write off the feats by saying that the very substance that the PC era DC universe was made of very weak stuff in comparison to these days. I can say anything, because PC DC lacked continuity from virtually every perspective. It's literally like arguing who would win a fight between Popeye and present day Superman, or Wily Coyote vs Thor.
If we can't even make a Magneto vs Star Killer thread which happens to be easier to argue, how are we arguing PC DC vs anything other than characters from that particular era? So what Superman sneezed and erased a bunch of planets, but then turns around and gets nailed in the head by an average bank robber and hurt by the blow, I could simply say that those planets were made up of very weak materials to explain how he actually did that but was then hurt by an average everyday bank robber that nailed him in the back of the head. By feats, the bank robber would have been able to destroy a universe if he hurt the guy capable of doing so. Right?
Doesn't matter. We're using PC feats here.
From the tier thread:
Tier 4 - Trans. Tier (Sub-Skyfather)Amazo, Appolyon, The Asgardian Destroyer, Black Racer, Blackheart, Blaze, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Doomsday (H/P), Dr. Fate, Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Queen of Fables, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Solusandra, Stayne, Strange Visitor, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But current characters also have their low showings.Shall I turn around and say a gas station KOed Superman (post Crisis)?
Shadowhawk humiliated Superman with his speed?
Hulk was KOed by a snake, and more recently, by a gorilla?
Thor was too slow for Mongoose, and Wolverine?
Silver Surfer was arm barred by Panther?
All of that can be explained. I can make claim that since there were major continuity breaches surrounding PC characters that Kryptonians were written down so that Val seemed to be more than he actually was. After all Val struggled to tear a planet apart. Present day Val would one sot kill a planet. We aren't actually arguing that PC DC didn't suffer from major continuity issues, and trying to sweep over it with by saying that its is actually impossible for BP to skillfully place the Surfer in an arm bar? I mean is that what you're actually trying to do? Continuity was so horrendous, that real life legal action had to be put into play to forget the mess that was written back in those days. None of what you stated comes close to comparing with it. None.
Also just because they were included in the tier system does not mean that it is in any way correct. It's actually a pretty slimy way of saying that you understand what I'm saying, but would prefer to just play dumb to make a point. PC DC is not canon to present day characters, and they can not be compared to them.