Originally posted by Stoic
All of that can be explained. I can make claim that since there were major continuity breaches surrounding PC characters that Kryptonians were written down so that Val seemed to be more than he actually was. After all Val struggled to tear a planet apart. Present day Val would one sot kill a planet. We aren't actually arguing that PC DC didn't suffer from major continuity issues, and trying to sweep over it with by saying that its is actually impossible for BP to skillfully place the Surfer in an arm bar? I mean is that what you're actually trying to do? Continuity was so horrendous, that real life legal action had to be put into play to forget the mess that was written back in those days. None of what you stated comes close to comparing with it. None.Also just because they were included in the tier system does not mean that it is in any way correct. It's actually a pretty slimy way of saying that you understand what I'm saying, but would prefer to just play dumb to make a point. PC DC is not canon to present day characters, and they can not be compared to them.
Yes, I am saying it is impossible for BP to actually have the strength to put Surfer in an armbar.the strength in his pinky finger, or even a flick of his thumb, should be enough to send Panther flying (if not punch a hole through him).
Even Surfer flexing would be able to break out of it, to say nothing of the fact that Surfer could just blast energy out of his back (I've been told the Power Cosmic is pretty powerful, no?)
But if you actually think that's fine, then we're done.
And no, not slimy. I'm saying I DON'T understand what you're saying, as its clear that one CAN compare them.
They all have low showings. EVERY character does. Morlun goes from tanking vibranium nukes, to being hurt by radiation from nukes.
Plastic Man goes from stretching for miles, to being ripped by Doomsday.
Superman is slower than Dr Light, yet goes FTL.
Flash can outrun Death, and himself, and his shadow, and is taken out by Deathstroke. Even though he can heal at the speed of light.
WW has reactions to deal with the Shattered God, but gets tagged by DS.
Spiderman can dodge bullets, but the Spot can tag him.
These are ALL post Crisis, recent (relatively) comics, btw.
Originally posted by StoicThis is a ridiculous argument, tbh.
Doesn't matter. None of the PC era continuity is canon now. If it were DC wouldn't have gone above and beyond measure to eliminate all of the wackiness that came out of that era. And no, Prime was stronger than PC Validus, unless you're saying that he would have trouble destroying a planet. Just drop it, we won't see eye to eye on something as inconsistent as that era of comic writing. It should literally be banned from discussions because there is no way to accurately compare it to present day characters.Don't even attempt to make sense or compare the feats of these days to these days. An argument can not be made on either side. As such I can make claim that present day characters would wipe the floor with those guys, and simply write off the feats by saying that the very substance that the PC era DC universe was made of very weak stuff in comparison to these days. I can say anything, because PC DC lacked continuity from virtually every perspective. It's literally like arguing who would win a fight between Popeye and present day Superman, or Wily Coyote vs Thor.
If we can't even make a Magneto vs Star Killer thread which happens to be easier to argue, how are we arguing PC DC vs anything other than characters from that particular era? So what Superman sneezed and erased a bunch of planets, but then turns around and gets nailed in the head by an average bank robber and hurt by the blow, I could simply say that those planets were made up of very weak materials to explain how he actually did that but was then hurt by an average everyday bank robber that nailed him in the back of the head. By feats, the bank robber would have been able to destroy a universe if he hurt the guy capable of doing so. Right?