KotOR II has Kreia's opinion being that Nihilus is more powerful than Revan.
Whereas Revan has Meetra Surik being a totally different character to the Exile and Karpyshyn rewriting KotOR II. Don't think it's a reliable source in the slightest, disregarding the argument over what "command of the Force" entails.
Originally posted by SunRazer
KotOR II has Kreia's opinion being that Nihilus is more powerful than Revan.Whereas Revan has Meetra Surik being a totally different character to the Exile and Karpyshyn rewriting KotOR II. Don't think it's a reliable source in the slightest, disregarding the argument over what "command of the Force" entails.
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Of course there's also the Exile confirming Nihilus > Revan in KotOR II.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Can I get the quote for this ShootingNova?
“One cannot have power of that magnitude and still think and perceive the universe as we do."-- Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
Evidently, Revan still perceives the universe rationally, even if he's a tactical genius. Nihilus, on the other hand, has transcended rational, human perceptions.
After being told about Nihilus' devastation of Katarr, the Exile can choose from a variety of options, such as:
"I don't understand how he hasn't conquered the galaxy with that kind of power."
"How can anyone have that kind of power?"
"His power is difficult to believe."
"How is he able to perform such slaughter?"
"That kind of power is impossible."
Given that the Exile has already been in Revan's presence before and the game suggests that the Exile knew of MW Revan's powers in person, it's obvious that this means that she thinks Nihilus >> Revan, since she doesn't even know how it's possible for Nihilus to be so powerful.
And when you fight Nihilus:
{Gameplay Programmer: Nihilus turns, raises his hand, and the entire party is raised into the air, similar to Force Crush. He speaks, his voice roaring, and the player should realize that Nihilus is FAR more powerful than they had believed.-- Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
Just as icing on the cake, the Jedi Masters obviously knew of Revan as a Jedi in person, and they fought him as Darth Revan (even capturing him), yet they say this of Nihilus:
At the last Jedi conclave on the Miraluka world of Katarr, the entire planet was wiped out. An entire race, destroyed... because the Jedi chose to gather there. It was only then that we realized we were facing something far more powerful than we knew how to fight.-- Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
They're saying that Nihilus was so much more powerful than anybody else they had ever fought that they had no choice but to choose exile instead of fighting him. And obviously the Jedi don't take the threat of the Sith likely.
Originally posted by SunRazer
After being told about Nihilus' devastation of Katarr, the Exile can choose from a variety of options, such as:"I don't understand how he hasn't conquered the galaxy with that kind of power."
"How can anyone have that kind of power?"
"His power is difficult to believe."
"How is he able to perform such slaughter?"
"That kind of power is impossible."
Given that the Exile has already been in Revan's presence before and the game suggests that the Exile knew of MW Revan's powers in person, it's obvious that this means that she thinks Nihilus >> Revan, since she doesn't even know how it's possible for Nihilus to be so powerful.
And when you fight Nihilus:
Just as icing on the cake, the Jedi Masters obviously knew of Revan as a Jedi in person, and they fought him as Darth Revan (even capturing him), yet they say this of Nihilus:
They're saying that Nihilus was so much more powerful than anybody else they had ever fought that they had no choice but to choose exile instead of fighting him. And obviously the Jedi don't take the threat of the Sith likely.
Sounds like a case of having directly contradictory quotes. Meetra saying in KOTOR II that she didn't know Nihilus's power was possible (even though she'd already been with Revan), then in the Revan novel saying Revan had the greatest command of the Force she'd every seen (even though she'd already been with Nihilus AND said all that stuff before about how Nihilus's power was impossible).
In which case, all personal biases aside, which quote(s) are we supposed to trust more?
Well, KotOR II has Kreia, the Exile and the Jedi Masters all putting Nihilus far above Revan (and Malak). Which is more conclusive then just Meetra saying it in the novel.
The Revan novel has almost every detail about KotOR II wrong to begin with, so really, I don't think that's the more reliable source.
Then there's feats, which are in favor of Nihilus, of course.
Traya is contradictory. She considers Revan akin to the Heart of the Force, later says Nihilus is someone that doesn't perceive reality like we do, and how the Ancient Sith are also said to be a power that Nihilus will "merely" rival in his peak. Though with the Ancient Sith thing it could always be a possibility that just like Bane she read over exaggerated tales of the Ancients and what-not.
Originally posted by SunRazerAccording to what?
She has Nihilus above Revan.
She seems to think of Revan as some sort of force god, saying that staring at him was like staring into the heart of the force.
She makes Nihilus siund scary asf, and menacing, but beyond that, nothing to really rival what she says about Revan.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Of course there's also the Exile confirming Nihilus > Revan in KotOR II.Evidently, Revan still perceives the universe rationally, even if he's a tactical genius. Nihilus, on the other hand, has transcended rational, human perceptions.
He doesn't perceive it rationally later on.
Oh yes, let it be known, if you are crazy and powerful, you are essentially Nihilus-tier, and are also abive KOTOR Revan.