Originally posted by Beniboybling
You think Meetra would draw more accurate conclusions from the person who taught him everything?Key word being "in some form", you've yet to prove she meant in terms of his command over the Force.
You mean the same mentor that straight up told Surik that his power was so great that he perceives the universe different than them?
Considering the Exile cannot directly compare Nihilus' strength to someone given that she cannot directly sense it due to the unusual force presence (or lack thereof) he possesses, Meetra's opinion is basically worthless.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66The same, and thanks for establishing that "power" when applied to Nihilus, does not mean in the conventional sense.
You mean the same mentor that straight up told Surik that his [b]power was so great that he perceives the universe different than them?[/b]
Fact is Nihilus doesn't have a connection to the living Force, therefore to pretend he has a "command over the Force" in the same manner others like Revan does is to be dishonest. We can't assume that the Exile is grouping Nihilus under the same umbrella.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Except that's not necessary. She can gauge his power based on his deeds. Visas Marr told her how he consumed the entire planet of Katarr. Tobin told her how he lifted multiple capital ships from orbit from Malachor and held it all together through his power. She was in the very room where Nihilus casually dominated her with the Force along with her companions. If that isn't enough for a definitive "holy **** he's powerful," than I don't know what is. And for the record, quote me on that people can't sense how powerful in the Force Nihilus is, because I call uber BS. The remnants of his power left a dark side nexus - not a void in the Force.
Your own quote has the Exile stating Nihilus' destruction of Katarr to be impossible. If Meetra really believed that Mando Wars Revan was superior him him despite gauging based on that feat, it'd be a major contradiction. Also a contradiction is that even Revan at his prime has all of ****nothing on those feats. It could be that Meetra dismissed those statements and judged Nihilus based on the highly weakened version she faced. Or maybe she just forgot about Nihilus when making the statement. Or maybe Meetra Surik is an absolutely colossal twit. Or maybe it's just Drew himself being a blithering moron. Or maybe Beni's suggestion is correct. Either way, it's not a compelling statement in the slightest.
Wounds in the Force feel like absences, like they're already dead.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
The same, and thanks for establishing that "power" when applied to Nihilus, does not mean in the conventional sense.Fact is Nihilus doesn't have a connection to the living Force, therefore to pretend he has a "command over the Force" in the same manner others like Revan does is to be dishonest. We can't assume that the Exile is grouping Nihilus under the same umbrella.
For one, I, nor no one else, cares about your shitty theories on how the Force works.
Secondly, countless quotes has labeled Nihilus with a powerful connection to the dark side of the Force.
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The only thing that disputes that is hyperbolic Kreia quotes. Wait, I think you have already commented on that one:
The conclusions you've reached on the basis of this quote assumes Kreia's words are to be taken literally. They are not.
The conclusions you've reached on the basis of this quote assumes Kreia's words are to be taken literally. They are not.
The conclusions you've reached on the basis of this quote assumes Kreia's words are to be taken literally. They are not.
The conclusions you've reached on the basis of this quote assumes Kreia's words are to be taken literally. They are not.
The conclusions you've reached on the basis of this quote assumes Kreia's words are to be taken literally. They are not.
The conclusions you've reached on the basis of this quote assumes Kreia's words are to be taken literally. They are not.
--Beniboybling 👆
Originally posted by Nephthys
Your own quote has the Exile stating Nihilus' destruction of Katarr to be impossible. If Meetra really believed that Mando Wars Revan was superior him him despite gauging based on that feat, it'd be a major contradiction.
And plus, if we want to argue semantics, she said she didn't know it was possible to kill on such a scale, not that she didn't know the Force could be used to such an extent. 👆
Originally posted by Nephthys
Also a contradiction is that even Revan at his prime has all of ****nothing on those feats.
Originally posted by Nephthys
It could be that Meetra dismissed those statements and judged Nihilus based on the highly weakened version she faced.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Or maybe she just forgot about Nihilus when making the statement.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Or maybe Meetra Surik is an absolutely colossal twit. Or maybe it's just Drew himself being a blithering moron. Or maybe Beni's suggestion is correct. Either way, it's not a compelling statement in the slightest.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Wounds in the Force feel like absences, like they're already dead.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Yeah, you've already made this argument before. You're arguing semantics.And plus, if we want to argue semantics, she said she didn't know it was possible to [b]kill
on such a scale, not that she didn't know the Force could be used to such an extent. 👆[/b]
Sorry, I'll try coming up with unique rebuttals every time you try to pass your insanity off as fact in the future.
No, that's the same thing. If Meetra thought Revan were capable of something more impressive she wouldn't dismiss it as impossible.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That's not a contradiction.
It is. There's no supporting evidence for Meetra's statement. So her opinion is just that, a mere opinion. That has evidence suggesting she's wrong.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You mean "the highly weakened version" that, when in the presence of, she thought of as "far more powerful" than the planet-consuming, fleet-lifting version she heard stories of and believed?
No she didn't.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
She didn't make the statement. The narrator did reflecting the inner thoughts of Surik. That wouldn't be possible.
And Suriks inner thoughts are fallible. The narrator reflecting those thoughts can be just as flawed. I've read many books where the narration does such a thing.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
None of which are rebuttals.
They are. Meetra being stupid is a plausible explanation. As is Beni's. And we know that Drews an idiot who barely researched Kotor 2, so thats an actual fact.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Prove it, because I have a quote saying otherwise. 👆
"You saw it in his walk, and in the Force. It was as if he was already dead."
Lol Ant my "shitty theory" is substantiated by facts, if you're going to dispute it present some counter-evidence or accept its validity. 👆
Anyway the point eludes you, so I'll be clear.
Based off the quote you've raised we can conclude that Meetra refers to "anyone" with a "command of the Force."
Considering however that the manner in which Nihilus wields the Force is confirmed to be unconventional by multiple sources, and that Nihilus doesn't even conform to the criteria of a person. We can't assume Meetra places Nihilus under the above umbrella.
And you've in so far failed to prove she does.
P.S. For the record you're (or rather I am) correct, Kreia's statement isn't to be taken literally, but the obvious implication is Nihilus wields the Force unconventionally. Nice try tho.
Originally posted by Sinious
Ant soloing this thread atm.
Neph basically already conceded though, and Beni's views are based on Force speculation, so I guess I already won.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Tbh it doesn't really change anything, aside from a nexus feat almost everything Nihilus has done has been a product of his Force wound.
I have a secret for you.
Spoiler:
No one on KMC believes your retarded theories on the Force.
Spoiler:
Even Neph wouldn't if he read your posts on them. 👆
Originally posted by ILS
Nah, objectively speaking Ant's Revan thread is better
Lol Ant, you still butt hurt ILS preferred by blog to you're Revan Respect Thread?Too much salt is bad for you tbh.