I perceive Darth Nihilus as an anomaly. His connection to the Force wasn't comparable to that of Revan at any point in history and/or he didn't understood the Force in ways Revan did. However, his Wound condition transformed him into a monstrous feeding machine and his capabilities in this regard were equaled by Valkorion only.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Also Obi-Wan and Kyp are more powerful than Sidious.Back on the Rebel base on Coruscant, Luke Skywalker tested Kyp's Jedi power potential. What he discovered was the strongest presence he had known since his Masters Obi-Wan and Yoda.
Source: The Essential Guide to CharactersGG.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lol Ant my "shitty theory" is substantiated by facts
Considering however that the manner in which Nihilus wields the Force is confirmed to be unconventional by multiple sources,
and that Nihilus doesn't even conform to the criteria of a person.
"Well uh Nihilus isn't a person so uh the Surik quote doesn't refer to him."
Like god damn, LMFAO.
He's still an individual being with defined intelligence, gender, motives, etc. Many sources still show him with a human body.
I haven't seen anything from Surik that suggests she doesn't believe Nihilus to be a member of the "anyone" title, that's absurd.
If anyone is going to consider Nihilus a person, it's going to be Surik, who I'm sure considered herself a person even after all her Force stripping.
@ Nephthys:
Then, if you consider the fact she regarded it as "impossible" (which is just an expression, damn) as some roadblock - it's retconned. 👆
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That being said, it doesn't matter if Revan's known feats were better because Surik still considered him the more powerful of the two - which has weight given she met them both.
And in terms of "presence", you're wrong, tbh. Nihilus was able to sense Surik across the galaxy despite being a wound in the Force.
Absolutely nothing suggests Surik can't do the same to him. 👆
There's also the fact Nihilus is said to be a being of "pure dark side energy" and, like I said, his mask left remnants of his power that was also dark side energy.
Malak >>> Bane. Accept it.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66Lol I'm talking about the fact that incoporeal beings don't have a connection to the living Force, of which you can find plenty of proof in my blog. 👆
Your "shitty theory" is substantiated by a character quote consumed by hyperbole and symbolism.
"multiple sources" =/= Kreia. 👆*slow clap*
Multiple sources describe Nihilus as a force of nature, a Force anomaly, and dependent on his Force wound for strength. I'm sure you can find some.
Though at present you've failed to debunk the implications of my first source. You've also failed to prove Nihilus wields the Force in a conventional manner.
Can you just read the argument you are trying to make? It's the top-tier embodiment of desperation.Wow you really missed the point there. Yes Nihilus is an individual just as much as he is a Force wielder, the point is he is unconventional in both respects. So if Meetra is only referring to "normal" Force users, he's exempt from comparison."Well uh Nihilus isn't a person so uh the Surik quote doesn't refer to him."
Like god damn, LMFAO.
He's still an individual being with defined intelligence, gender, motives, etc. Many sources still show him with a human body.
I haven't seen anything from Surik that suggests she doesn't believe Nihilus to be a member of the "anyone" title, that's absurd.
If anyone is going to consider Nihilus a person, it's going to be Surik, who I'm sure considered herself a person even after all her Force stripping.
Actually, I don't think I even have to. Even following your ebola-tier logic, nothing says she's "only referring to normal Force users." 👆
It's literally just completely you, your ignorance, your failures, your family, and your denial that is saying she isn't. No actual evidence.
And given her main thing is fighting these "ultra power monsters of the dark side" and is familiar with the sides of the Force unknown to most others...
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Just for fun though:
Multiple sources describe Nihilus as a force of nature, a Force anomaly, and dependent on his Force wound for strength
Though at present you've failed to debunk the implications of my first source.
You've also failed to prove Nihilus wields the Force in a conventional manner.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lol Ant my "shitty theory" is substantiated by facts, if you're going to dispute it present some counter-evidence or accept its validity. 👆Anyway the point eludes you, so I'll be clear.
Based off the quote you've raised we can conclude that Meetra refers to "anyone" with a "command of the Force."
Considering however that the manner in which Nihilus wields the Force is confirmed to be unconventional by multiple sources, and that Nihilus doesn't even conform to the criteria of a person. We can't assume Meetra places Nihilus under the above umbrella.
And you've in so far failed to prove she does.
P.S. For the record you're (or rather I am) correct, Kreia's statement isn't to be taken literally, but the obvious implication is Nihilus wields the Force unconventionally. Nice try tho.
Your evidence was some hyperbole Kreia quotes and brief, bullshit descriptions of other hyperbole quotes.
Then we go to the ultimate thing: Who are you trying to persuade here? Like, with the exception of people that have already outright denied the quote out of bias (i.e. Nephthys), no one is really going to read your bullshit theories and go: "Yeah man, that guy is on to something. He's right, Surik wasn't including Nihilus in the quote because he's not a defined person with defined power (well, he is, but whatever who cares it's not conventional and obviously someone like Meetra Surik who is the definition of unconventional only cares about conventional beings), uh, well yeah he's right. And Nihilus has no power it's all based on the environment and his wound." This isn't SWTOR Forums, lmfao.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66How about the fact that Revan has zero Nihilus tier feats. 😬
Actually, I don't think I even have to. Even following your ebola-tier logic, nothing says she's "only referring to normal Force users." 👆
Hyperbole, hyperbole, and Kreia (to my knowledge).Kreia's claim that Revan was "like staring into the heart of the Force" is hyperbole, but that doesn't change the fact it implies he is powerful. Likewise the majority of descriptions of Darth Nihilus imply he is not a normal Force wielder. Branding it as hyperbole is a moot point.
Nothing needs to be debunked. Kreia's comments are irrelevant if they contradict Marr's and sourcebooks that define Nihilus as a being with immense power.The fact that Nihilus wields immense power doesn't mean he wields in in the same manner as Revan, or any other Force user. So it contradicts nothing.
That's not really my job given you made the claim hereI made a claim backed up with proof that you've failed to counter.
Your evidence was some hyperbole Kreia quotes and brief, bullshit descriptions of other hyperbole quotes.See above, I'm beginning to believe this is your only counter.
Then we go to the ultimate thing: Who are you trying to persuade here? Like, with the exception of people that have already outright denied the quote out of bias (i.e. Nephthys), no one is really going to read your bullshit theories and go: "Yeah man, that guy is on to something. He's right, Surik wasn't including Nihilus in the quote because he's not a defined person with defined power (well, he is, but whatever who cares it's not conventional and obviously someone like Meetra Surik who is the definition of unconventional only cares about conventional beings), uh, well yeah he's right. And Nihilus has no power it's all based on the environment and his wound."You asked for rebuttals bro, don't whine when you get them.
This isn't SWTOR Forums, lmfao.True, people are far more entrenched in their opinions and obsessed with fellating their favourite characters over here. 👆