"done with all of your strength or energy and with little hope of succeeding"
"Malak's most distinguishing feature, his steel jaw, disguises a vicious lightsaber wound inflicted by his former Master in their [...] final battle [done with all his strength/energy but with little hope of succeeding]" ―Star Wars Insider 88: Virtual Sith
it's like u dont even read these posts. take a breather and see what you can come up with after a break. no pressure champ! Im sure you'll do great : )
1.
reckless or dangerous because of despair, hopelessness, or urgency:
a desperate killer.
2.
having an urgent need, desire, etc.: desperate for attention;
desperate to find a job.
3.
leaving little or no hope; very serious or dangerous:
a desperate illness.
4.
extremely bad; intolerable or shocking:
clothes in desperate taste.
5.
extreme or excessive.
6.
making a final, ultimate effort; giving all:
a desperate attempt to save a life.
Extremely intense: felt a desperate urge to tell the truth.
desperate adjective (SERIOUS)
C2 very ​serious or ​bad:
desperate ​poverty a desperate ​shortage of ​food/​supplies The ​situation is desperate - we have no ​food, very little ​water and no ​medical ​supplies.›
very ​great or ​extreme: The ​earthquake ​survivors are in desperate need of ​help. He has a desperate ​desire to ​succeed.informal I'm in a desperate ​hurry.
DarthAnt66
Synonyms for desperate
adj reckless, outrageous
bold
dangerous
daring
determined
frantic
frenzied
furious
violent
madcap
precipitate
rash
wild
atrocious
audacious
careless
death-defying
devil-may-care
foolhardy
hasty
hazardous
headlong
headstrong
heinous
impetuous
incautious
monstrous
risky
scandalous
shocking
venturesome
@ Zamp:
Wait! What's that?
"Malak's most distinguishing feature, his steel jaw, disguises a vicious lightsaber wound inflicted by his former Master in their desperate final battle."
Wait! Do you see it?
"their"
"their"
See it now!?
Guess what it doesn't say?
"his"
And "their" means more than one person.
Revan = one person.
Malak = one person.
Together, they are more than "one person."
Despite the sentence being about Malak, it specifically referenced both him and Malak in regards to "desperation" - not just Malak. The sentence still would have worked with "his."
"Malak's most distinguishing feature, his steel jaw, disguises a vicious lightsaber wound inflicted by his former Master in his desperate final battle."
Originally posted by Nephthys
You really need to read more. Desperate when used as a descriptor just means intense. If someone's feeling desperate hunger it just means they're very hungry, not that they're experiencing desperation.
1. Having lost all hope; despairing.
2. Marked by, arising from, or showing despair: the desperate look of hunger; a desperate cry for help.
3. Reckless or violent because of despair: a desperate criminal.
4. Undertaken out of extreme urgency or as a last resort: a desperate attempt to save the family business.
5. Nearly hopeless; critical: a desperate illness; a desperate situation.
6. Suffering or driven by great need or distress: desperate for recognition.
7. Extremely intense: felt a desperate urge to tell the truth.
Using definition 7 as the one and only definition for a word is pretty low even for you, tbh.
The same page you quoted uses "desperate [insert word here]" as actually expressing desperation. 😬
For the record, it looks like (I didn't read the story but reading the paragraph it it's said in it looks pretty obvious to me) Frank Leslie's Popular Monthly, Volume 34 uses the term "their desperate battle" as an expression of desperation on both parties.
So there's your example of it being used in that way (besides the shit you quoted doing the same). 👆
so the battle between them had lost all hope and despaired? nah
the battle arose from despair? nah
the battle was reckless or violent because of despair? nah
the battle was undertaken out of extreme urgency or as a last resort? nah
the battle was nearly hopeless? for both parties? we'll circle around to this
the battle was suffering or driven by great need or distress? nah
the battle was extremely intense? let's see:
Anakin and Kenobi have a desperate duel on Mustafar, but you wouldn't say that the duel was nearly hopeless. Zannah desperately tries to deflect all of Bane's blows when he goes into berserker mode, but you wouldn't say that her effort is hopeless. Desperate as an adjective meaning "hopeless" is often used to describe a character's motivation. Desperate as an adjective applied to an action usually refers to something that is intense. Maul and Savage fight a desperate duel with Sidious in TCW but you wouldn't say that they almost matched Sidious.
I really think you're reaching here
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
For the record, it looks like (I didn't read the story but reading the paragraph it it's said in it looks pretty obvious to me) Frank Leslie's Popular Monthly, Volume 34 uses the term "their desperate battle" as an expression of desperation on both parties.So there's your example of it being used in that way (besides the shit you quoted doing the same). 👆
And this one fits it perfectly, LMFAO ^
Anakin and Kenobi have a desperate duel on Mustafar, but you wouldn't say that the duel was nearly hopeless. Zannah desperately tries to deflect all of Bane's blows when he goes into berserker mode, but you wouldn't say that her effort is hopeless. Desperate as an adjective meaning "hopeless" is often used to describe a character's motivation. Desperate as an adjective applied to an action usually refers to something that is intense. Maul and Savage fight a desperate duel with Sidious in TCW but you wouldn't say that they almost matched Sidious.
In regards to the others, they don't work. Only one of the characters were "hopeless" while the passage referenced clearly makes a distinction that multiple people where in the form of "their." 👆
"Maul faces Palpatine in their desperate final battle."
👇 Doesn't work. Like I said, Palpatine wasn't desperate during the fight - only Maul was. It would have to look like:
"Maul faces Palaptine in his desperate final battle."
to work. 👆
That being said, I can't really waste any more time taking on everyone at once here. I have shit to do. I'll respond tomorrow to your massive post and whatever you try to counter this one with.
Well, let me expand on that. Even if Revan and Malak are more powerful than Nihilus (I believe they are) I do not believe they can beat him. His Force Drain is just that potent, capable of one shotting anyone barring I guess Morits Anchorites. Not to mention that Traya did believe if Nihilus was not stopped, he would have consumed the entire Galaxy, that includes Vitiate's Empire which she implied to be aware of.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Guiz I was saying Nihilus > Vitiate which based on feats is tru tbh yet somehow Meetra won despite Nihilus being more powerful than meetra thought from the accounts of Traya and Visas so idk
Originally posted by The Merchant
Well, let me expand on that. Even if Revan and Malak are more powerful than Nihilus (I believe they are) I do not believe they can beat him. His Force Drain is just that potent, capable of one shotting anyone barring I guess Morits Anchorites. Not to mention that Traya did believe if Nihilus was not stopped, he would have consumed the entire Galaxy, that includes Vitiate's Empire which she implied to be aware of.
Your final point, that Malak surpassed Revan, is by far the most audacious claim of your entire argument. However, it’s given the absolute least evidence. You’ve got in-universe speculation from Vandar (a no-name tbh) about another character. This is speculation about someone Vandar had never met. Vandar is in no position to gauge Malak’s new powers, let alone their relationship to Revan the Dark Lord at his peak. Bear in mind, Malak balked at fighting Revan individually, firing on his ship instead. Even then, Malak wasn’t able to kill his master. Later, after Malak’s power had grown and with mastery over the Star Forge itself, Malak was unable to defeat his master (who had just slogged through the entire staff of the Star Forge plus Bastilla).
Zamp not wrong...
Malak though he surpassed Revan, but remember his big inferiority complexe !
Malak might be powerfull and do possess advanced mastery of the force ike Revan does, but is mastery is not as great as Revan and his raw power in the force still fairly decent... And fairly decent compare to some juggernauts like Revan is.. well humhum very weak...
I don't care about statement made by dude under Darth Malak empire Banner...