Foreign Immigration
Australia is country is notoriously noted for having one of the strictest immigration policies. Its either a pay in system that cost $11 million for citizenship or you have to be wanted fro a trade, or skill.
How do countries like this go without criticism from the left and media.
And should the US adopt a policy like this. The world is filling up with more and more people.
In my opinion The US can't be a lifeboat for the world and failed states can't just come here.
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialSo your point is to make baseless claims?
Two parts, One Australia is moving up in things because they allow the best in and they track immigration and keep a tight lid on it.What we do here now with Obama signing executive amnesty is almost treason and has zero accountability.
For one we don't know Australia is going to get the best brightest because if the best and brightest don't want to go to Australia it doesn't matter how strict they are.
Secondly immigration has always been a major part of American culture and has often brought good things and some bad as well. But overall it has been a positive net gain for us.
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialI have and they are strict. Heck even the current refugees which are brought there are being given temp visas that only last three years. At which point they can be immediately deported.
I made no baseless claims, I read up on their immigration policy, maybe you should too👆Yes immigration in the past has been good, now its exploited for political gain and used for votes, and illegal voting.
The system is broken.
Your baseless claim comes from you saying this is a good step will allow Australia to thrive. That has yet to be seen. I would decline to say they are going to get the best and the brightest as you described in this scenario because there are more alluring places to go to for the best and brightest around the world. And if a talented person decides to move to Australia it will probably be for other reasons than tight immigration policies.
The system isn't really that more broken than it was back than. People still came here illegally, some as refugees and they became productive members of society. The major difference is we have much better ways to record and track people in current times.
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialI never said that. I do think we are hurting ourselves by having too strict of an immigration policy. Mostly because that policy is based on unfounded fears.
Oh yea, so the Obama policy, let em all in👆Works for you you😂
The current immigration process needs to be more streamlined so people don't feel forced to have to traverse a system that's purpose is to hinder immigration as much as possible.
Originally posted by Newjak
I never said that. I do think we are hurting ourselves by having too strict of an immigration policy. Mostly because that policy is based on unfounded fears.The current immigration process needs to be more streamlined so people don't feel forced to have to traverse a system that's purpose is to hinder immigration as much as possible.
Typical liberal rhetoric "the system needs to be streamlined"
HOW? You always offer that end result without offering a actual solution.
Originally posted by Star428
LOL. So ****ing what? They're breaking the law. They've always been breaking the law when they do that. It is true. You can deny it all you like.
Well, of course we can deny it- That's not actually how the law works, after all.
See, if a law is violated, there's a trial and all that, right? But you don't see a trial for someone crossing the border, and nor does someone's visa expiring result in trials or such either, and it can't be made illegal to just be something- status offense, highly unconstitutional.
It's not a crime to be undocumented, it's just that non-citizens don't have a right to not be deported.
"Illegal immigrant" is a bit of a misnomer. Undocumented immigrant is much more accurate, because it's something that is just about their status- grant the documented status and it's no different than any other immigration.
Star428
Legal immigration is a part of our culture. Funny how liberals always conveniently leave that significant detail out.
It's not that people so much leave it out, as pointing out that it's an easily fixed thing.
If I have a 'problem,' and I can remove the problem by signing some paperwork, and then it's not a problem any more, that sounds like not the most serious of problems.
Whether someone is documented or not is a technicality, the real question is, 'should we do so?'. And considering they often live here for decades while contributing and kicking them out would create both a big hole in our economy and a humanitarian crisis, and we've have people from that culture mix with ours for centuries- which is impressive as we're only a bit over two centuries old- and thus can fairly confidently answer any cultural compatibility issues, I say 'yes, the costs of not doing so are much more significant than the costs of filling out paperwork.'
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialThe system needs overhauled, refined, or retooled. Do those work better for you.
Typical liberal rhetoric "the system needs to be streamlined"HOW? You always offer that end result without offering a actual solution.
Also this is a dismissive tactic. I've seen used many times before to try and sideline a topic. Let clear it up for you. You do not need to have a perfect solution to be able to realize something is broken.
Or here is a better analogy. Your car breaks down and steam is pouring from the front. You are saying if you don't know how to fix an engine you can not make the statement that it needs fixed.
You don't need to have all the answers to get to a goal state. You can still understand the current system has flaws and what the final goal should be. In fact it is down right stupid to say I have all the answers needed to get us to a more streamlined state.
Still probably a good start would be to reduce the number of policies that restrict who can immigrate. As well as reducing the cost and quickness of attaining visas.
Originally posted by Newjak
The system needs overhauled, refined, or retooled. Do those work better for you.Also this is a dismissive tactic. I've seen used many times before to try and sideline a topic. Let clear it up for you. You do not need to have a perfect solution to be able to realize something is broken.
Or here is a better analogy. Your car breaks down and steam is pouring from the front. You are saying if you don't know how to fix an engine you can not make the statement that it needs fixed.
You don't need to have all the answers to get to a goal state. You can still understand the current system has flaws and what the final goal should be. In fact it is down right stupid to say I have all the answers needed to get us to a more streamlined state.
Still probably a good start would be to reduce the number of policies that restrict who can immigrate. As well as reducing the cost and quickness of attaining visas.
So let more people in, quicker and faster..thats your solution.
SMH