Superman vs Herald Gauntlet
Wondering what arguments can be made for the Herald's. Everyone's in character.
Pre-Flashpoint
1) standard Gauntlet-- how far does he go
2)Superman is restored to full power after each opponent he defeats.
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1) Nova
2) Destroyer
3) Air-Walker
4) Firelord
5) Terrax
6) Stardust
7) Morg
8) Silver Surfer
Originally posted by ghostman
splits with or gets slight edge on norrin. also can a more knowledgeable supes fan confirm the feat of superman powering a machine that warped reality across 52 universes?
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/lightmiraclemachine1.jpg
http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/lightmiraclemachine2.jpg
Originally posted by Stoic
Any proof?
1) Now first of all, I'd like to clear up some shit on this page specifically in regards to where the Moon's mass is stated on-panel:
"The Shadow's mass will be the same as the real Moon."
"81 Billion tons."
Now, that second line of dialogue, as stated by Batman, is false - the Mass of the Moon is not 81 Billion tons but is instead, in fact, much closer to 81 Billion Billion tons at 81 Quintillion tons, or at 73 Sextillion kilograms. I've also heard marvel **** drip try and suggest that the DC Comics variant of the Earth's Moon had possessed one billion times less mass than our real-life Moon, but this claim is also false. The writer of Justice League Vol. 2 #30, Dwayne McDuffie, had later specifically mentioned on his own website that he had tried to, and made a error in, calculating the real-life Moon's mass for this comic, as well as that he had originally intended to utilize the actual Moon's mass of 81 Quintillion tons. This is also very evident even in the dialogue itself, where it's clearly stated that the Shadow Moon's mass "will be the same as the real Moon", yet the distinction still wouldn't make much sense, if Earth's Moon in the DC Universe had possessed one billion times less mass than our real-life Moon.
2) For some "reason", some people always seem to selectively forget the basic scientific principal of "Force = Mass*Acceleration", even when it's been spoon-fed to them - it's also even funnier because that exact same comic, which had mentioned the F=MA equation on-panel, has already established that the Mass of the Shadow Moon, as well as the fact that it was heading to Earth. Still, do we know just how fast it was going?
"My ring clocks it at 7,614,000 km per hour"
...and thank you, Green Lantern! Now, we have everything that we need to figure out just how much Kinetic Energy the Shadow Moon was exerting while heading for Earth, and how much Superman had to exert to stop it! Keep in mind that Superman didn't simply "stop" the Shadow Moon either - he actually was able to not only match the Shadow Moon's forward momentum, moving at 7,614,000 km per hour or 2,115,000 m/s, but also outright shattered it into fragments and exerted far more than the necessary power to pulverize it.
KE = 1/2mv^2
KE = 1/2(73 Sextillion*2,115,000)^2
KE = 1.632727124e+35 Joules
Calculating the Kinetic Energy of the Shadow Moon has given us a result of 3.9 Quintillion Megatons of force - that's enough energy to destroy Earth 735.84x over!!!! good god... ****ing supes!!!!! heres the feat in action:
there you go.
@ Ghostman, have you ever considered that other herald level beings are capable of doing the same or better? Some wouldn't necessarily have to ram a moon sized object head on in order to destroy it it, You realize this right? I'm not trying to low ball the feat, just trying to make you realize that they are characters out there capable of doing better because not only would they destroy the object, but they wouldn't be kayoed in the process of doing so. What's really funny is how people try to low ball the Heart of the monster feat when the Hulk and red She Hulk collide doing far more damage than what Superman did in the scans that you presented. They didn't even directly hit anything other than themselves. The feat that you presented is awesome, but nothing outside of the realms that a high herald wouldn't be able to do as well.
Originally posted by panthergod
So your claim is that Superman is inferior to the Thing, who beat Herald Destroyer?Let's see you substantiate that stance.
Is that a serious statement!?
That is the Destroyers lowest showing...ever...and even still Thing couldn't really harm it.
Maybe I should bring up Supes lowest showing and lets compare, but I wont do that as we argue averages...not bottom lows.
There is no PIS in a forum fight, and under forum conditions, the Destroyer one shot kills Thor (which it actually did with an extremely weak host), Thing, and Supes...
Destroyer murders Supes 10/10...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Is that a serious statement!?That is the Destroyers lowest showing...ever...and even still Thing couldn't really harm it.
Maybe I should bring up Supes lowest showing and lets compare, but I wont do that as we argue averages...not bottom lows.
There is no PIS in a forum fight, and under forum conditions, the Destroyer one shot kills Thor (which it actually did with an extremely weak host), Thing, and Supes...
Destroyer murders Supes 10/10...
Thing beat Herald Destroyer, period. The Destroyers level during his time as Herald is all that is relevant here. As Herald he was sub Thing level in combat. On average. Period. I don't care what fabrications you want to make up to pretend his proven power levels that he is in for this thread don't count because you don't want them to.
Where did Herald Destroyer fight Thor?
Originally posted by panthergodlol
Thing beat Herald Destroyer, period. The Destroyers level during his time as Herald is all that is relevant here. As Herald he was sub Thing level in combat. On average. Period. I don't care what fabrications you want to make up to pretend his proven power levels that he is in for this thread don't count because you don't want them to.Where did Herald Destroyer fight Thor?
Originally posted by panthergod
Thing beat Herald Destroyer, period. The Destroyers level during his time as Herald is all that is relevant here. As Herald he was sub Thing level in combat. On average. Period. I don't care what fabrications you want to make up to pretend his proven power levels that he is in for this thread don't count because you don't want them to.Where did Herald Destroyer fight Thor?
The only difference between Herald Destroyer and the Destroyer as its normally depicted is that Herald Destroyer was jobbed out to Thing...
Galactus didnt depower the Destroyer, nor did Galactus reduce its material strength...because of this, only one thing accurately describes the Destroyer's level of performance against Thing:
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Those are the facts...
@panthergod...
No doubt, you want to be able to say that Supes stands above any of Galactus's Heralds, but nothing could be further from the truth...
You probably didn't know this, but Surfer isn't the 1st or most powerful Herald of Galactus...Tyrant was.
Tell me, on average, how does Supes compare to Tyrant?
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Originally posted by Stoic
I forget the full details, but was anyone inhabiting the Destroyer at the time that Galactus used it? This could have been the reason for it operating at a lower level than usual. Just saying.
I dont think it matters...
Reason being, when it melted Thor into goo, a normal human was at the controls...
Thus the difference in power between the Herald Destroyer and it when it melted Thor was negligible...
