Originally posted by ghostman1) Now first of all, I'd like to clear up some shit on this page specifically in regards to where the Moon's mass is stated on-panel:
"The Shadow's mass will be the same as the real Moon."
"81 Billion tons."
Now, that second line of dialogue, as stated by Batman, is false - the Mass of the Moon is not 81 Billion tons but is instead, in fact, much closer to 81 Billion Billion tons at 81 Quintillion tons, or at 73 Sextillion kilograms. I've also heard marvel **** drip try and suggest that the DC Comics variant of the Earth's Moon had possessed one billion times less mass than our real-life Moon, but this claim is also false. The writer of Justice League Vol. 2 #30, Dwayne McDuffie, had later specifically mentioned on his own website that he had tried to, and made a error in, calculating the real-life Moon's mass for this comic, as well as that he had originally intended to utilize the actual Moon's mass of 81 Quintillion tons. This is also very evident even in the dialogue itself, where it's clearly stated that the Shadow Moon's mass "will be the same as the real Moon", yet the distinction still wouldn't make much sense, if Earth's Moon in the DC Universe had possessed one billion times less mass than our real-life Moon.
2) For some "reason", some people always seem to selectively forget the basic scientific principal of "Force = Mass*Acceleration", even when it's been spoon-fed to them - it's also even funnier because that exact same comic, which had mentioned the F=MA equation on-panel, has already established that the Mass of the Shadow Moon, as well as the fact that it was heading to Earth. Still, do we know just how fast it was going?
"My ring clocks it at 7,614,000 km per hour"
...and thank you, Green Lantern! Now, we have everything that we need to figure out just how much Kinetic Energy the Shadow Moon was exerting while heading for Earth, and how much Superman had to exert to stop it! Keep in mind that Superman didn't simply "stop" the Shadow Moon either - he actually was able to not only match the Shadow Moon's forward momentum, moving at 7,614,000 km per hour or 2,115,000 m/s, but also outright shattered it into fragments and exerted far more than the necessary power to pulverize it.
KE = 1/2mv^2
KE = 1/2(73 Sextillion*2,115,000)^2
KE = 1.632727124e+35 Joules
Calculating the Kinetic Energy of the Shadow Moon has given us a result of 3.9 Quintillion Megatons of force - that's enough energy to destroy Earth 735.84x over!!!! good god... ****ing supes!!!!! heres the feat in action:
there you go.
The most powerful Herald, silver surfer actually died destroying a stationary moon while he was amped to the point he almost exploded with too much energy.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Well surfer was capable of destroying a moon physically while amped to the point he nearly exploded.Oh, he also died. So that obviously makes him number 1.
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Kind of strange that the Surfer survived the destruction of an entire planet while in a normal state, but dies while over charged from impacting a moon. Let's get out the low showings to prove a point shall we? Or, could it have been that the charged up Surfer was unstable due to being filled with too much energy?
Originally posted by Stoic
Kind of strange that the Surfer survived the destruction of an entire planet while in a normal state, but dies while over charged from impacting a moon. Let's get out the low showings to prove a point shall we? Or, could it have been that the charged up Surfer was unstable due to being filled with too much energy?
Both of these characters have far worse than moon busting showings. Both.
Originally posted by carver9
Both of these characters have far worse than moon busting showings. Both.
I mostly prefer it when Superman is written reasonably instead of the comic book arms race one ups. I like it more when he's weakened. Thinking about it, the last time I really enjoyed a story arc was way back when Superman fought Draaga on War World. On topic though, Superman would have a very tough time with Stardust, and the Surfer. The rest have jobbed, or were written too inconsistently to count on.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderI believe Superman beats Thanos. But you can't use that ABC logic since Thanos was beaten up by Namor, Thing, squirrel girl, groot, etc. Even starfox was giving it to him.
👇Morg had Thanos in trouble and you think Clark beats him?
Finally, What did Morg actually do to Thanos? Could any Herald replicate that same exact action?
Originally posted by h1a8
I believe Superman beats Thanos. But you can't use that ABC logic since Thanos was beaten up by Namor, Thing, squirrel girl, groot, etc. Even starfox was giving it to him.Finally, What did Morg actually do to Thanos? Could any Herald replicate that same exact action?
Morg powered through a Thanos force blast with nothing but sheer toughness and durablity and tackled him; he then proceeded to get the upper hand on Thanos and had him dead to rights with his axe...
Thanos was forced to get and use Terrax's axe to save himself..
I firmly believe accompishing that solo against Thanos is well beyond most of the Herald Tier...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderThat's feat just proves Morg can take pain and suffering. He was damaged greatly doing such a thing . Thanos KOed him in the next blast. So basically it was a two shot.
Morg powered through a Thanos force blast with nothing but sheer toughness and durablity and tackled him; he then proceeded to get the upper hand on Thanos and had him dead to rights with his axe...Thanos was forced to get and use Terrax's axe to save himself..
I firmly believe accompishing that solo against Thanos is well beyond most of the Herald Tier...
Anyway, energy blast durability isn't the same as blunt force durability.
And also Surfer got Morg too.
I see Supes using speed and easily KOing Morg with punches.
Surfer gives Supes the biggest challenge here.
Originally posted by h1a8
That's feat just proves Morg can take pain and suffering. He was damaged greatly doing such a thing . Thanos KOed him in the next blast. So basically it was a two shot.Anyway, energy blast durability isn't the same as blunt force durability.
And also Surfer got Morg too.I see Supes using speed and easily KOing Morg with punches.
Surfer gives Supes the biggest challenge here.
Thanos koed a distracted Morg. Different than koing someone who's attention is all on you.
