Other force users compares to Rotj Sidious

Originally posted by quanchi112
Just as the official handbooks of marvel which iirc classify Odin's strength as class 75 despite his showings as vastly superior to guys like Thor and the Hulk who are class 100's in strength.

The movies are indeed facts as they have occurred and the events thereby continued within are history. What isn't history is some vague skill wise top ten.

Just as in marvels canonized sourcebooks do not outweigh the actual comics aka the evidence. Disney canon are the films, live action series, comics, but the opinions of those who tell the stories or release the books are just those peoples opinions unless they cover a story they told.

"but the opinions of those who tell the stories or release the books are just those peoples opinions unless they cover a story they told."

u keep repeating that quote above. out of curosity could u provide me with a source or an official statement from disney announcing that "rule", because i dont remember them ever making such an a statement. im just going to go out on a limb here and guess that no statement exists and its just more of ur opinion.

Originally posted by Raptor22
once again this is all just your opinion, which holds no weight compared to disneys official stance as to what r cannon facts and what are not.

"but the opinions of those who tell the stories or release the books are just those peoples opinions unless they cover a story they told."

u keep repeating that quote above. out of curosity could u provide me with a source or an official statement from disney announcing that "rule", because i dont remember them ever making such an a statement. im just going to go out on a limb here and guess that no statement exists and its just more of ur opinion.

You obviously don't know the difference between opinion and fact. Windu beating Palpatine is a fact. Who would win their next matchup is an opinion. See the difference ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I just gave you the same exact situation in which the handbooks are incorrect.

You obviously don't know the difference between opinion and fact. Windu beating Palpatine is a fact. Who would win their next matchup is an opinion. See the difference ?

i believe it is u who does not understand. as it stands now, who would win a second matchup between the two is an opinion. However if disney were to publish, in a cannon sourcebook that the two had somehow fought again and declared a winner then it would become a cannon fact.

Originally posted by Raptor22
i just disregarded it since they're two completly different universes with different rules that govern their cannon. what applies to one doesn't apply to the other. for instance in star wars what happens in the movies is cannon to to comics and vice versa, they share the same universe. marvel on the other hand does not. the things that happen in the thor, avengers, iron man etc... movies are not cannon nor tied to their comic counterparts. their rules and or inconsistencies between mediums have no bearing on eachothers

i believe it is u who does not understand. as it stands now, who would win a second matchup between the two is an opinion. However if disney were to publish, in a cannon sourcebook that the two had somehow fought again and declared a winner then it would become a cannon fact.

Yes, when Disney has these guys throw down it becomes a fact. Until then it's just an opinion. I can't believe posters are actually using that in these debates.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Both are considered canon not cannon. The official handbooks covered the comics only and we're still incorrect and largely ignored.

Yes, when Disney has these guys throw down it becomes a fact. Until then it's just an opinion. I can't believe posters are actually using that in these debates.

by the way im still waiting on the source for that "rule" that says that statements made in canon works published under disney dont count unless they blah blah blah blah.

Originally posted by Sinious
Well, the mathematical relation between Sidious and Vader doesn't even make sense. I mean does this suggest that someone who is only a quarter times as powerful as Vader is enough support for Vader to have a chance to overthrow Sidious? I highly doubt it.

But if this suggests that when measuring strength in the force, numbers function differently, then an increase from 80 to 100 is massive and people should number the others accordingly.

I would suggest ignoring the 80/100 relation between Vader and Sidious to make this thread more interesting.

I view it as, you need to reach a certain threshhold before one can contribute, and contributing isn't quite additive.

Like, a 5 or a 20 would both contribute only slightly differentto a high level fight- maybe +1 and +3, mostly as a brief distraction. Or to put it another way, if 20 represented a normal Jedi Knight, you'd want 6 or so to help Vader beat Sidious.

A 70 might add +20 to an 80. That's when you start getting real 2 v 1 advantage, as neither is at the point where they'd go down fast.

Though things like personal compatibility and how well styles mesh would matter...

Originally posted by Raptor22
once again their inconsistencies have nothing to do with the star wars universe. im sure there are alot of handbooks, sourcebooks, and guidebooks for alot of different universes that have contradictory info for their works across different mediums, just as im sure there are some that have their info spot on. fortunatly neither have any bearing on the rules for canon set down by disney.

by the way im still waiting on the source for that "rule" that says that statements made in canon works published under disney dont count unless they blah blah blah blah.

Originally posted by Raptor22

by the way im still waiting on the source for that "rule" that says that statements made in canon works published under disney dont count unless they blah blah blah blah.

On the contrary Disney/Lucasfilm specifically stated that all the material they release now (unless it has a Legends banner) is Canon.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
On the contrary Disney/Lucasfilm specifically stated that all the material they release now (unless it has a Legends banner) is Canon.

Canon video game backs my take on Vader; he's slow.

The Dark Lord of the Sith may be slow, but he destroys his foes with powerful saber swings and his dreaded force choke.

http://www.ign.com/beta/videos/2015/11/12/darth-vader-gameplay-in-star-wars-battlefront-at-1080p-60fps?utm_source=IGN%20hub%20page&utm_medium=IGN%20(front%20page)&utm_content=11&utm_campaign=Blogroll

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, if this is all that counts for you while summarily dismissing all live action feats, common sense, and logic that's fine. I think for myself based on the evidence aka the events not the opinions of the writers, etc. outside their own works.

Originally posted by Raptor22
I don't remember ever saying that its all that counts. Just that it does count. Unlike u I dont disregard canon material just because I dont like it. And like it or not, the comics, novels, and sourcebooks are all just as cannon as the movies and shows, and all have to be considered and factored in. Not just the ones that u personally like and feel should be included.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
On the contrary Disney/Lucasfilm specifically stated that all the material they release now (unless it has a Legends banner) is Canon.

Now I find it hard to believe that a man who is brimming with as much integrity as quan is would do such a thing.

I would thank u to not besmirch his good name any longer with ur made up statements from disney. 😄

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't canon material it's an opinion about generalized rankings. Canon material are the films, series, comics, etc. you still don't know the difference.

I do find it a little funny that a few posts before u were trying to pass gameplay mechanics, and what appears to be a quote from ign's review of the game as cannon, but not books confirmed to be cannon by disney.

Originally posted by Raptor22
so even tho disney who owns all the rights to it says its cannon, it's actually not, because u say it isn't? I dont know quan, it sounds like bs to me. But if u will kindly show me a statement from disney backing ur stance ill consider it.

I do find it a little funny that a few posts before u were trying to pass gameplay mechanics, and what appears to be a quote from ign's review of the game as cannon, but not books confirmed to be cannon by disney.

Vader's portrayal in the game matches his speed from the films and the rebels show. He's always been slow and powerful.

Originally posted by Raptor22
so even tho disney who owns all the rights to it says its cannon, it's actually not, because u say it isn't? I dont know quan, it sounds like bs to me.

No, what he is trying to say is Vader's speed as it appears in comics and novels is hyperbole because he moves slowly in a movie from 1980.

Originally posted by Raptor22

I do find it a little funny that a few posts before u were trying to pass gameplay mechanics, and what appears to be a quote from ign's review of the game as cannon, but not books confirmed to be cannon by disney.

You want to know something even funnier? The same list he's claiming isn't canon here he himself used as evidence in the Movie Versus Forum to say Maul > Dooku 😂

He'll use any "source" which agrees with him and dismiss any source which doesn't. That's Quan for you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dude, they are just some throwaway rankings. The facts are what happens in the films.

Vader's portrayal in the game matches his speed from the films and the rebels show. He's always been slow and powerful.

Ah man its such a hard choice, I dont know which to believe.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You want to know something even funnier? The same list he's claiming isn't canon here he himself used as evidence in the Movie Versus Forum to say Maul > Dooku 😂

He'll use any "source" which agrees with him and dismiss any source which doesn't. That's Quan for you.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
You want to know something even funnier? The same list he's claiming isn't canon here he himself used as evidence in the Movie Versus Forum to say Maul > Dooku 😂

He'll use any "source" which agrees with him and dismiss any source which doesn't. That's Quan for you.