Is Superman far and away more powerful than Thor and Surfer?

Started by DarkSaint8513 pages

Well, you're posting GWs and timelines, and applying RL logic to it....

Originally posted by carver9
I see two that questionable but overall, amazing post. Abstract Thor for the win.

Pshhh..

Which ones?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
2011 - Went rounds with Hela who was massively amped by the Twilight Sword. It had the power to alter reality as we later found out.

Who was getting stalemated by ****ing Enchantress?

Color me impressed.

2011 - Focused through Iron Man's armor, he summoned divine transformative lightning that transformed Diablo into a mortal before fully acclimating himself to omnipotence. Diablo at that time was rewriting the fabric of creation after absorbing the combined powers of all the pantheons with the Destroyer armor.

Because it was the transformative effect of changing Thor to Don Blake and Diablo to his mortal form.

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You'd know it if you read it.


2011 - "Thor strikes a wounding blow to Galactus' head."

Wounding? It was impressive but not to that degree.

2011 - His fight with Glory(a super god made of up a pantheon of 10 thousand gods).

And Died. Whoop de doo.

2011 - Hurt the Chaos King with a lightning shot. By that time CK had already destroyed 99.7% of the multiverse.

CK was merely startled. He was never mentioned or alluded to hurt.

2011 - Killed Atum the Demogorge-God Eater(Written by Fraction to be "an Eternity level cosmic concept"😉.

Aka jobber supreme by attacking his weak point. Good job bro.

2011 - For 40 days and 40 nights, he fought "all the gathered legions of Hel" along with the Warriors Three. The Three were beaten down so for 40 more days, he fought the hordes by himself until no one was left to fight. He fought without food and rest. And btw no Mjolnir.

Random jobber demons. Impressive stamina feat.

Nothing like going into multiple black holes and flying constantly for two months from one end of universe to another.

2012 - For a time resisted the destructive effects of the unbinding stone through sheer will. It had the power to repeal the laws of physics by unbinding matter, spatial relationships, and time... Reality itself. It already had destroyed an entire continuum into nothingness.

Resisted? He was about to die and only his armor was disintegrated.

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Context doesn't matters, right?

2012 - Along with Surfer, he tanked the combined attacks of Galactus, Scrier, and the Other... And survived. It was hinted that 2 of them alone had the power to destroy the multiverse and somewhat belittled what happened in Chaos War.

So did a featless new character. They were seconds from getting killed.

And only the universe was in danger.

2012 - Briefly knocked out the Phoenix entity. He did this with a hammer toss so powerful that it had enough force to send the entity to a far off planet. The force needed to do that must have been tremendous.

Nice caption from comicvine. The force was never koed.

What happened against Phoenix 5 bro? Thor soloed all 5 of them, right?

2012 - Actually damaged the Phoenix entity by clipping its wings!

Good feat.

2013 - As Young Thor, he knocked out Gorr who had already butchered countless gods(skyfathers, hell lords, etc..)

Who was Herald level at that point.

2013 - Was hitting Gorr so hard that the side effects alone were indirectly shattering celestial bodies including damaging a far off world.

Alright feat. Not too shabby but it didn't do shit to Gorr.

2013 - Defeated Gorr by tanking and absorbing the entirety of the omniversal god bomb explosion meant to kill all gods for all time.

Omniversal?

Hahaha. And Died. Happens to him a lot.

2013 - Defeated Ymir(skyfather level) and destroyed his physical shell in the process... Ultimately sent him packing to "lick his wounds" in Jotunheim.

Just destroyed his physical shell.

2014 - Survived Exitars energies after being thrown into the wound he created with Jarnbjorn. Kang described his energies as the "most powerful energy source in all existence".

Hyperboles are your friend.

2014 - Destroyed an Odin forged barrier that separated the Tenth Realm from Ygdrassil. Later Loki broke a similar barrier by using a few billion megatons of exploding warships at its weak point.

Good feat.

2015 - Ate a blast, tanked a blow from his black uru arm, and blocked a hammer slam with his forearm all from a Beyonder... But still kept coming.

2015 - Along with Hyperion, waded through a sea of Beyonders damaging their physical shells in the process.

More of a low showing for Beyonders than anything.

And that's not even all the "operating out of his tier" showings from those years. Am I now going to classify him beyond high herald? No... Why? It would be flat out ridiculous given his countless other showings...

And dying isn't a feat.

But bleed more.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, you're posting GWs and timelines, and applying RL logic to it....

Because it was the reason given in the comic.

If a human is said to be stronger than another human in a comic by that reasoning, come back at me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because it was the reason given in the comic.

If a human is said to be stronger than another human in a comic by that reasoning, come back at me.

Stronger: yes.

3x-4x: debatable.

You're extrapolating, and deriving extra information (the 3-4x) from applying 'RL' logic to two pieces of information.

All I am doing is asking , if it is 'common sense' to assume he's 3-4x stronger due to the extra time and extra 20GW, then why should we ignore the 'common sense' of 75 year old couch potatoes vs 25 year old athletes?

Tell me Celey, when was the last time Thor did anything like this?

Originally posted by abhilegend
The new Doomsday has like a force-field around it that causes things in its proximity to decay, and all that energy to goes to it.

Dr. Veritas tells Superman that while the old Doomsday that was strong enough to kill him, it was basically just a larva, and that Superman is the only one on the planet that can survive fighting the new Doomsday for more than ten minutes.

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The Justice League has an emergency meeting. Luthor says that Doomsday is on Earth because it wants Superman, and that it fled from him because it wasn't ready to face him.

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Then Wonder Woman shows up and fights Doomsday till Superman arrives on the scene. Doomsday teleports away before Superman can fight it.

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Doomsday shows up in India.

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Superman takes Doomsday to Venus and burns it to a crisp.

But when he arrives back on Earth, so does Doomsday. This time Superman finishes Doomsday off by ripping it in half.

Scans courtesy to Mr. Burns on ICT.

****ing insane showing.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Stronger: yes.

3x-4x: debatable.

You're extrapolating, and deriving extra information (the 3-4x) from applying 'RL' logic to two pieces of information.

All I am doing is asking , if it is 'common sense' to assume he's 3-4x stronger due to the extra time and extra 20GW, then why should we ignore the 'common sense' of 75 year old couch potatoes vs 25 year old athletes?


Because in real life strength isn't proportionately related to how much you eat.

In kryptonians case? It does.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because in real life strength isn't proportionately related to how much you eat.

In kryptonians case? It does.

Erm....

Anyway.

WW scared Doomsday off, after proving Veritas wrong and fighting Doomsday.

Truly insane showing indeed 👆 😛

"...you pull in about 140 gigawatts of solar energy at any given moment."

Let's say *moment* here means *second*. This means Superman is pulling in about 140 billion joules per second. Interesting.

This implies his solar absorption involves some sort of Bussard scoopfield action, extending well past his skin, to increase solar intake. Why?

- On a sunny day, the amount of sunlight per square centimeter yields .013 joules (little more than 1/100 joule) every second.
- An adult male has about 1.8 square meters of total skin surface area.
- If Superman were completely naked, he could thus only absorb, thru skin, about 250 joules -- total -- per second.

However, as been said, Superman is absorbing sunlight at more than a half-million times what skin surface area alone would allow.

Intense and complex. But a solar collection field does explain this...

One megaton yields over 4000 terajoules. Seems to me, in order to survive a one megaton blast, one would have to counter 4000 terajoules with an equal amount of energy, at least.

Thusly...
- Again, totally naked, Superman absorbs 2500 joules/10seconds. He needs 1.6 trillion times this amount to counter the energy of a 1 megaton bomb (4000 trillion divided by 2500).
- 1.6 trillion x 10 seconds is about 500,000 years. This is how long Kal El has to sunbathe to absorb enough power to survive 1 (one) "typical" nuclear explosion...IF solar absorption were limited to actual skin surface area. However, because of Superman's solar collection field, it really only takes him about 113 seconds -- less than 2 minutes -- to get the energy he needs.

I'm glad DC finally cleared this up, somewhat. It still doesn't come anywhere near to explaining how he survives things like black holes and supernova blasts, at "only" 140 gW/second.

Fun with Numbers. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Erm....

Anyway.

WW scared Doomsday off, after proving Veritas wrong and fighting Doomsday.

Truly insane showing indeed 👆 😛


Doomsday was scared off by Superman. Lex flat out said so.

What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Mindship
"...you pull in about 140 gigawatts of solar energy at any given moment."

Let's say *moment* here means *second*. This means Superman is pulling in about 140 billion joules per second. Interesting.

This implies his solar absorption involves some sort of Bussard scoopfield action, extending well past his skin, to increase solar intake. Why?

- On a sunny day, the amount of sunlight per square centimeter yields .013 joules (little more than 1/100 joule) every second.
- An adult male has about 1.8 square meters of total skin surface area.
- If Superman were completely naked, he could thus only absorb, thru skin, about 250 joules -- total -- per second.

However, as been said, Superman is absorbing sunlight at more than a half-million times what skin surface area alone would allow.

Intense and complex. But a solar collection field does explain this...

One megaton yields over 4000 terajoules. Seems to me, in order to survive a one megaton blast, one would have to counter 4000 terajoules with an equal amount of energy, at least.

Thusly...
- Again, totally naked, Superman absorbs 2500 joules/10seconds. He needs 1.6 trillion times this amount to counter the energy of a 1 megaton bomb (4000 trillion divided by 2500).
- 1.6 trillion x 10 seconds is about 500,000 years. This is how long Kal El has to sunbathe to absorb enough power to survive 1 (one) "typical" nuclear explosion...IF solar absorption were limited to actual skin surface area. However, because of Superman's solar collection field, it really only takes him about 113 seconds -- less than 2 minutes -- to get the energy he needs.

I'm glad DC finally cleared this up, somewhat. It still doesn't come anywhere near to explaining how he survives things like black holes and supernova blasts, at "only" 140 gW/second.

Fun with Numbers. 😮‍💨


Or he hyper-metabolizes the energy he absorbs.

It differs from writer to writer of course.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Or he hyper-metabolizes the energy he absorbs.

Works better than Red Bull.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Doomsday was scared off by Superman. Lex flat out said so.

What are you talking about?

When WW's roar splits the skies. Stopping the monster. Who then leaves.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When WW's roar splits the skies. Stopping the monster. Who then leaves.

It was Superman who ran it off.
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Because Doomsday who was already far above wonder woman wasn't strong enough to fight Superman.

Batman himself tells Luthor he's speculating. But we can see for ourselves. Superman acknowledges her roar stops the monster.

The whole Doomsday Arc in the new 52 JL was stupid. Giving Doomsday any form of intellect is stupid.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Batman himself tells Luthor he's speculating. But we can see for ourselves. Superman acknowledges her roar stops the monster.

Stops the monster as he saw Superman. Before that he was attacking her just fine. Doomsday ran away from Superman. He ran away after destroying wonder woman the first time too.

But he destroyed her like she was nothing. And got stronger.

But sure, her roar was somehow able to hurt him and make him run away.

Because why the **** not?

facepalm

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who was getting stalemated by ****ing Enchantress?

Color me impressed.

Because it was the transformative effect of changing Thor to Don Blake and Diablo to his mortal form.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/BEEnergyManipulation01IMThor4.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Modern%20Iron%20Man%20Armors/BEEnergyManipulation01a.jpg

You'd know it if you read it.

Wounding? It was impressive but not to that degree.

And Died. Whoop de doo.

CK was merely startled. He was never mentioned or alluded to hurt.

Aka jobber supreme by attacking his weak point. Good job bro.

Random jobber demons. Impressive stamina feat.

Nothing like going into multiple black holes and flying constantly for two months from one end of universe to another.

Resisted? He was about to die and only his armor was disintegrated.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/4037302-07-03-2012-05.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102593/4037303-07-03-2012-12.jpg

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😂

Context doesn't matters, right?

So did a featless new character. They were seconds from getting killed.

And only the universe was in danger.

Nice caption from comicvine. The force was never koed.

What happened against Phoenix 5 bro? Thor soloed all 5 of them, right?

Good feat.

Who was Herald level at that point.

Alright feat. Not too shabby but it didn't do shit to Gorr.

Omniversal?

Hahaha. And Died. Happens to him a lot.

Just destroyed his physical shell.

Hyperboles are your friend.

Good feat.

More of a low showing for Beyonders than anything.

And dying isn't a feat.

But bleed more.

Lol...every ft he named was better than yours. Far better.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Batman himself tells Luthor he's speculating. But we can see for ourselves. Superman acknowledges her roar stops the monster.

👆

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...every ft he named was better than yours. Far better.

Now we have concrete proof that Celey is wrong.

And DarkSaint85 too.

👆