Just to answer this question:
Originally posted by One-Punch
How many total appearances does DCNU Superman have in the past two years? Including his appearances in Superboy and Supergirl comics?
From Wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_New_52_imprint_publications):
JL 1-40
Action Comics 1-40
Superman/WW 1-17
Superman 1-40
Superman Unchaine 1-9
That's....146. I've obviously missed annuals etc out, plus post-Convergence, so let's say 160 comics. Add in his guest appearances, so let's say 170 comics.
Of those 170, he's not going to be doing feats in every single issue - a lot of them will be him showing up, then flying off. Neither will every issue feature a fight scene, or have Superman at full power (him being depowered, for example, or just learning to use his powers etc.).
For that reason, I would say...he has 70 fights/feats (so less than half of his comics involve him fighting or being measured, just him standing around talking or some crap.
Go from there, I guess.
Kind of not sure this should stay open, but I'll give it a little while for now.
For me, the answer depends on what version you're using. And by that I don't mean PreCrisis, PostCrisis or New 52. I'm talking about the writer that's writing them.
If Grant Morrison is writing Superman, then the answer to the OP is yes. He literally sees Superman as the guardian of "story", and has more often than not put him well and ahead of any of his supposed "peers".
Now, if it's say, Geoff Johns, then the answer is no. Johns' Superman is STILL the top herald in DC, but he's still a herald by the definitions we use on the board.
I don't think it's a question that can be definitively answered, tbh, unless you're willing to accept that Grant Morrison's portrayal of the character is just as valid as say, James "the hack" Robinson, or Dwayne McDuffie's (who by his own admission nerfed Superman for the purposes of the book).
Superman does straddle the line between herald and trans as much if not more often than the others too, I would argue.
Also, keep manga/anime characters out of this.
"How can he be more powerful when Surfer beats him in the first Pico second via a kryptonite+red sun blast? Or just drain him?
He's already faster because he flew so fast that one time, more durable because Tenebrous and Aegis and Superman's HV doesn't works on him because he goes through stars. He is also almost as strong. Just wait while he amps to Unilord level and beats even Sundipped superman in h2h. "
10/10 times of course."
/surfer fan
Ask any true surfer fan like JBL or Darthgoober who challenged entire forum to convince him about Superman taking a single win against Surfer.
Nobody argued about that though.
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I agree with Pr. Superman is, depending on the writer, above the Heralds and imo even above cosmic beings like Galactus and LT. For other writers and for the sake of an earth based story he is normally depowered to Herald or Trans levels.
So what should be used in a CBvF? Normally we go by full potential, since Supermans true potential has no limits this would mean it's best to leave him out of this. Or we agree on his Herald level showings and depower him for the Forums like some writers depower him for the stories, so the Heralds from other comic book companies have at least the chance to compete.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I agree with Pr. Superman is, depending on the writer, above the Heralds and imo even above cosmic beings like Galactus and LT. For other writers and for the sake of an earth based story he is normally depowered to Herald or Trans levels.So what should be used in a CBvF? Normally we go by full potential, since Supermans true potential has no limits this would mean it's best to leave him out of this. Or we agree on his Herald level showings and depower him for the Forums like some writers depower him for the stories, so the Heralds from other comic book companies have at least the chance to compete.
Use the same logic as you would for She Hulk and Lobos' Looney Tunes powers, because that's what you're essentially saying. Plot driven powers = She Hulk ripping pages up and Animal Man shrinking comic panels.
Originally posted by abhilegend
"How can he be more powerful when Surfer beats him in the first Pico second via a kryptonite+red sun blast? Or just drain him?
He's already faster because he flew so fast that one time, more durable because Tenebrous and Aegis and Superman's HV doesn't works on him because he goes through stars. He is also almost as strong. Just wait while he amps to Unilord level and beats even Sundipped superman in h2h. "10/10 times of course."
/surfer fan
Ask any true surfer fan like JBL or Darthgoober who challenged entire forum to convince him about Superman taking a single win against Surfer.
Nobody argued about that though.
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Don't think anyone said Surfer beats Superman 10/10.
Originally posted by -Pr-let's simplify this: how many writers would have him be a good match against darkseid? Do you think more than 2 or 3 out of dozens wouldn't?
Kind of not sure this should stay open, but I'll give it a little while for now.For me, the answer depends on what version you're using. And by that I don't mean PreCrisis, PostCrisis or New 52. I'm talking about the writer that's writing them.
If Grant Morrison is writing Superman, then the answer to the OP is yes. He literally sees Superman as the guardian of "story", and has more often than not put him well and ahead of any of his supposed "peers".
Now, if it's say, Geoff Johns, then the answer is no. Johns' Superman is STILL the top herald in DC, but he's still a herald by the definitions we use on the board.
I don't think it's a question that can be definitively answered, tbh, unless you're willing to accept that Grant Morrison's portrayal of the character is just as valid as say, James "the hack" Robinson, or Dwayne McDuffie's (who by his own admission nerfed Superman for the purposes of the book).
Superman does straddle the line between herald and trans as much if not more often than the others too, I would argue.
Also, keep manga/anime characters out of this.
Geoff johns currently has anti monitor and darkseid as peers. Do you think it's a coincidence superman is on apokolips throughout the story, away from them?
Remember how the same geoff had young superman as the go to guy for fighting him in the early jla?
Originally posted by carver9he's the easiest to scale around since he's at worst thanos level and at best universal/multiversal. Anybody denying darkseid.wouldn't be portrayed as AT LEAST a peer to Thanos is, frankly, too ignorant to even participate in the discussion
So this stems around Darkseid?