MCU vs MoS/Hancock

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
What exactly is a "speed hex" supposed to be though? The closest they came to "speed hexing" anyone was when QS shouldercharged Cap into a wall, leaving him momentarily stunned long enough for Wanda to do her thing. But I don't recall a moment in that film where she did her mind control thing while her brother was carrying her at superspeed. And if QS tries to shouldercharge anyone on team 2 he will only hurt himself.

Even if he did carry her, from what we see it takes a few seconds of uniterrupted concentration to mind rape someone. She couldn't even get close to someone much less concentrate on getting it done at those speeds.

I'm LOLing at the idea that anybody on Team 2 is stronger than the Hulk. That's laughable at best.

Most people on t2 have better strength feats so it's not like it's crazy.

Thor can do more damage by himself than all of team 2 together based off of actual stiking feats. Thor is MVP in this battle as he should be.

Originally posted by KingD19
Most people on t2 have better strength feats so it's not like it's crazy.

Oil Rig MOS
Whale Throw Hancock
Train Stop Hancock
Train Toss Namek
Zod Tossing Cars
MOS punching holes in space ships

I wouldn't say any of those are above Hulk stopping the giant ship with his punch sans the Hancock train stop.

The oil rig feat is kind of meh to me. Was it impressive he was able to even hold it up momentarily? Sure, I guess. Ultimately though he was really struggling and ultimately failed at holding it up. Not overly impressive imo

Sorry World Engine..

Hulks feat was assisted and he was pushed back..

The ground gave way on the oil rig and he had not learned to fly.

This exact same strength discussion has been beaten to death before, across multiple threads.

We haven't even gotten to the debate of Hancock's train stop feat being greater than World engine and leviathan punch.

Well, the Hulk vs Kryptonian discussion, especially the leviathan punch vs oil rig thing, has been discussed multiple times. And Hancock's train stop vs the leviathan punch has also been discussed before. Not that it matters much in anyways with regards to this specific match up.

I will say that the train stop is very impressive, even compared to all the others, just because of how damn easily he did it. He stopped that thing dead by doing little more than lean his shoulder into it, and showed no strain or fatigue while doing so, or afterwards. But that basically also highlights the problem of using Hancock in any kind of Versus fight. Everything he did at full power he did quite easily, so it is hard to gauge what kind of limits, if any, he (and by extension Mary) has.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Sorry World Engine..

Hulks feat was assisted and he was pushed back..

The ground gave way on the oil rig and he had not learned to fly.

The world engine feat is unquantifiable.

We'll never know which was the cause of him failing to hold it. In the end, he was clearly struggling with it, so even if it was the ground (I don't believe so), he wouldn't have been able to hold it long regardless. Hulk's feat was more impressive.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
This exact same strength discussion has been beaten to death before, across multiple threads.

Agree with this. Though it's still fun to breakdown the MOS feats, that ultimately, weren't that impressive.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Agree with this. Though it's still fun to breakdown the MOS feats, that ultimately, weren't that impressive.

sorry, please tell me how throwing a train like it was a baseball, from a guy thats not even the premier Kryptonian, isn't impressive??

or the fact that Zod and Kal fighting caused immense shockwaves throughout Metropolis?? Neither Thor or Hulk replicated that feat hand to hand.

And while the World Engine isn't readily quantifiable per se as a destructive force, we can for sure say that it packs more power than one of those giant whales in Avengers seeing as how there were tons of those flying around and NY didn't take nearly as much damage as Metropolis; the almost coasting movement of the Leviathan was nowhere near as intense as the pressure the World Engine was causing.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The world engine feat is unquantifiable.

We'll never know which was the cause of him failing to hold it. In the end, he was clearly struggling with it, so even if it was the ground (I don't believe so), he wouldn't have been able to hold it long regardless. Hulk's feat was more impressive.

Who says its "unquantifiable"?

Hulks feat was assisted, he was pushed back, and Ironman helped him because he failed to fully stop it.

It's unquantifiable because we have no idea just how strong those pulses were, what kind of energy they were generating, was the force generated constant or implemented by pulses, etc.

Strong enough to level a city..and terraform the entire earth and change its gravity..

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Strong enough to level a city..and terraform the entire earth and change its gravity..

It didn't level the city with one go though. It needed multiple pulses to ruin it. You also needed 2 machines working in concert to SLOWLY terraform the Earth. And this is what makes it unquantifiable.

I'm not saying it was not an impressive feat, just that it makes it very difficult to use in debates.

So what if it took 2/3 pulses...what does that matter?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So what if it took 2/3 pulses...what does that matter?

It took a lot more than 2-3 pulses. Plus it seems like it was destroying that city due more to gravity fluctuations than actual impact force.