MCU vs MoS/Hancock

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Fine I re read what you said and quote it exactly as you had it, but the common though process behind many superman haters here is because he struggled with some things, that makes it not impressive.

This goes against all logic in life.

Overcoming a hardship is the greatest thing a person can achieve in life and here on KMC it's used as a slight against the character.

It's ****ing absurd, and anyone with that though process is a complete bafoon.

This isn't a mental barrier or hardship you need to overcome, we're talking about strength. Which can be tested. This isn't somebody having to get over an assault or being abused as a child. YES, and without any ambiguity, when it comes to strength it's more impressive to casually do something than to struggle doing. Are you disagreeing with that?

your logic is like saying Superman's island lift was not impressive because he struggled.

You wanna start throwing insults now shit head?

Where did I throw any insults? I didn't call you a single name. I asked you if you disagreed with something. Then you respond by calling me a shithead. You're b1tch a$$ little girl. I've tried to be cool recently and just debate the topics. Then you come back with this. It's on now b1tch. I'm still waiting for you to bring your pansy a$$ to see me like you said you would 3 months ago and still haven't showed up. Pu$$y a$$ b1tch.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
YES, and without any ambiguity, when it comes to strength it's more impressive to casually do something than to struggle doing. Are you disagreeing with that?

Yes and no. If we have a good idea of the two feats, we could say with certainty that me struggling but being able to bench 350lbs is considerably more impressive than you casually benching just the weight bar of 45lbs without even breaking a sweat.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This isn't a mental barrier or hardship you need to overcome

Oh so this isnt an insult?

Calm down already.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes and no. If we have a good idea of the two feats, we could say with certainty that me struggling but being able to bench 350lbs is considerably more impressive than you casually benching just the weight bar of 45lbs without even breaking a sweat.

Exactly, well said.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes and no. If we have a good idea of the two feats, we could say with certainty that me struggling but being able to bench 350lbs is considerably more impressive than you casually benching just the weight bar of 45lbs without even breaking a sweat.

I never disagreed with such a premise. In that case yes it would be. However, that isn't how it was presented, nor what I was saying Big Rob

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Oh so this isnt an insult?

Calm down already.

I wasn't referring to you at all. You said it's very impressive in life to overcome things. It shows stuff about your character.. will power or what have you. So I was saying.. this isn't a mental barrier or something that it's okay to struggle with and overcome. When it comes to strength, when two people try and do something similar, the one who does it with ease is obviously stronger. How you could think I was referring to you is beyond me.

My bad then. I have the same opinion as rob posted above.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I never disagreed with such a premise. In that case yes it would be. However, that isn't how it was presented, nor what I was saying Big Rob

No idea what you were saying then, but you can call me "Big Rob" anytime 👆

MOS/Footpenis wins this

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
What exactly is a "speed hex" supposed to be though? The closest they came to "speed hexing" anyone was when QS shouldercharged Cap into a wall, leaving him momentarily stunned long enough for Wanda to do her thing. But I don't recall a moment in that film where she did her mind control thing while her brother was carrying her at superspeed. And if QS tries to shouldercharge anyone on team 2 he will only hurt himself.

We don't see how the twins get to Banner. Could have been as simple as Quicksilver shoulderbarging him and knocking him down so that Scarlet Witch could get into his head, just like they did to Cap. Her TP has limits. We clearly see her having to get close to the Avengers to use her abilities properly on them, and then requiring a few seconds to actually do her thing. If Quicksilver tries his shoulderbarge tactics he is just going to take himself out, and his sister won't last long on her own.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
MOS/Footpenis wins this

😂

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
We don't see how the twins get to Banner. Could have been as simple as Quicksilver shoulderbarging him and knocking him down so that Scarlet Witch could get into his head, just like they did to Cap. Her TP has limits. We clearly see her having to get close to the Avengers to use her abilities properly on them, and then requiring a few seconds to actually do her thing. If Quicksilver tries his shoulderbarge tactics he is just going to take himself out, and his sister won't last long on her own.

Quicksilver was able to barge Ultron and Thor without hurting himself so I don't see why he couldn't, he doesn't need to attack directly though. T1 have the bigger guns for that purpose.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
She still would've needed QS help to get to Banner, and as I said he used his speed to move her around several times so it certainly isn't ooc. They were rarely anything but side by side in the movie. Her tp was able to affect everyone even Ultron, her mind spells took a couple of seconds to perform at best, more than enough time to mindphuck like she did the Avengers. From what I remember QS was significantly faster than anyone of T2 as well.

Quicksilver was able to barge Ultron and Thor without hurting himself so I don't see why he couldn't, he doesn't need to attack directly though. T1 have the bigger guns for that purpose.

She herself said "I'm fine" after having a few seconds to recover outside. So again, QS could have simply blindsided Bruce and knocked him on his ass long enough for her to work her mojo. And there were numerous instances where they were separated. Case in point the time SW got tazer arrow'd in the forehead. So you acting like QS will always be there to watch out for her is contradicted by the film. If she had been alone against someone from this team 2, she would not have been shocked. She would be very very dead. Not to mention all the times QS was running off solo, shoulderbarging everyone from Cap to Ultron.

Yes, he carried her around IN BETWEEN her using her powers. If you want to make an argument for them using their powers in tandem, you have to prove it. And you can't, because there is no evidence for it.

She was able to briefly see into Ultron's mind, but she didn't influence him. We see her needing to be up close and requiring time to do her thing, which is why she either snuck up on people or had her brother knock them down first. In the time it'd take her to do that to anyone on team 2 they could punch her head off. If Hawkeye can react to her and drop her before she got to him, the 5 people on team 2, all whom have a degree of legitimate superhuman speed and reaction times, can also do so.

When exactly did he shouldercharge Thor? Closest I recall him coming to that was trying to grab Thor's hammer, which did not end well for him. He knocked into Ultron once and, other than slightly knocking him out of the way, it had no effect. And based on feats, if he ran into someone like Hancock at the speeds he normally travels, he would turn himself into paste. Unless you can prove that Quicksilver can do better than a large train moving at high speed.

And Hancock/Mary are the fastest ones in this thread, as others have already pointed out.

Your strategy here hedges on the highly unlikely chance that SW will manage to mindrape someone on team 2 before getting killed herself. I don't see that happening, and neither do the vast majority of the people in this thread, based on the posts.

If you want to continue to believe SW and QS can make a difference, feel free. But you are seemingly the only one who genuinely does. IMO, and in the general consensus in this thread, Team Steel-Cock win.