MCU vs MoS/Hancock

So what's the argument now?

Still don't see how the MCU can take out Hancock/Mary even with Thor and Vision present.

Shit we saw about 10 pulses and much of the city was still just fine. An atomic bomb could level a city in one shot. We see multiple pulses.. shit probably more than 10, more like 20 and most of the city was still just fine. Clearly there wasn't much destructive force going on there. It was going to take a LONG LONG time to do anything at the rate it was going. Hence, it wasn't that impressive.

Also In Re: Hulk Punch... Iron didn't do anything at all in the scene as far as slowing it down. Hulk had already totally stop its forward momentum and it was already flipping over from the force. At that point, Iron shot it in a vulnerable area to destroy. Make no mistake though... he did nothing to stop it.

Who said that this non nuclear weapon had to be as strong as a nuke at first, seems your setting a base line from some undetermined set of ideas that because it was not as fast or quick acting as a nuke, it must not be as powerful?

The leviathan pushed the hulk back, no way around this fact.

Hanock casually shouldering the train and stopping it completely without budging an inch himself was considerably more impressive than Hulk's leviathan punch.

Also of note, if you watch the complete scene, that train had many cars attached to it, the complete mass/weight of the train would dwarf the leviathan.

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As I said previously, Hancock's train feat is a better feat than the leviathan punch or the World Engine feat.

Lol, no its not better then the world engine.

MOS was weakened and he still beat it.

WE>Train>Leviathan

Sure, praise the train feat when it helps your argument then ignore it when it's compared to MOS feats.

Thats pure nonsense, and why are you getting so mad about it?

Thats a bit unfair considering MOS was weakened when he defeated a massive alien world ender.

I don't have a problem saying some of Hancocks feats were better then MOS but the train feat does not beat MOS's best feat.

Is hancock physically stronger then MOS yes. But the world engine feat was not just a strength feat like the train feat was.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Thats a bit unfair considering MOS was weakened when he defeated a massive alien world ender.

I don't have a problem saying some of Hancocks feats were better then MOS but the train feat does not beat MOS's best feat.

Is hancock physically stronger then MOS yes. But the world engine feat was not just a strength feat like the train feat was.

Thats pure nonsense, and why are you getting so mad about it?

Who's mad?

All I'm saying is you are unable to quantify the world engine feat. How then can you say that it's a better feat? Sure he was weakened, but he seriously struggled there. Compared that to how effortlessly Hancock stopped that train and it should be obvious which is a better feat.

So something Hancock completely outclassed which was that train is more impressive then something that outclassed MOS and he managed to net a win? Since when did having to try become a sign of weakness in any form of life? What world do you live in?

You know what, forget it. We'll just end up derailing this thread.

I can't believe you think because he struggled to beat something more powerful then him, thats not impressive, but stopping a train that Hancock completely outclassed is..did the train fight back?

Thats some weird ass thinking you only find on KMC..

Your logic is completely off. You're rewording it to something that's completely different from what I said. But like I said, leave it. That's a topic for another day.

Fine I re read what you said and quote it exactly as you had it, but the common though process behind many superman haters here is because he struggled with some things, that makes it not impressive.

This goes against all logic in life.

Overcoming a hardship is the greatest thing a person can achieve in life and here on KMC it's used as a slight against the character.

It's ****ing absurd, and anyone with that though process is a complete bafoon.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Who's mad?

All I'm saying is you are unable to quantify the world engine feat. How then can you say that it's a better feat? Sure he was weakened, but he seriously struggled there. Compared that to how effortlessly Hancock stopped that train and it should be obvious which is a better feat.

Oh look you did say it.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Oh look you did say it.

So basically what you're saying is that Superman's world engine feat is a better strength feat because he struggled with it whereas Hancock casually stopping the train isn't as good because he easily did it?

Originally posted by relentless1
sorry, please tell me how throwing a train like it was a baseball, from a guy thats not even the premier Kryptonian, isn't impressive??

or the fact that Zod and Kal fighting caused immense shockwaves throughout Metropolis?? Neither Thor or Hulk replicated that feat hand to hand.

And while the World Engine isn't readily quantifiable per se as a destructive force, we can for sure say that it packs more power than one of those giant whales in Avengers seeing as how there were tons of those flying around and NY didn't take nearly as much damage as Metropolis; the almost coasting movement of the Leviathan was nowhere near as intense as the pressure the World Engine was causing.

You act like he threw a whole train with cars attached. He basically threw one car... the caboose. Yes that's not as impressive as Hulk's punch.

Can we say that? How can you be so sure? One pulse from the Engine didn't even level a building. If that big leviathan ran into a building... it was be toppled.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Who said that this non nuclear weapon had to be as strong as a nuke at first, seems your setting a base line from some undetermined set of ideas that because it was not as fast or quick acting as a nuke, it must not be as powerful?

The leviathan pushed the hulk back, no way around this fact.

So then YOU tell me what it means. Forget a nuke, an atomic bomb can completely level a city in one shot. This World Engine couldn't even take out most of a city after 20 pulses. So yes I can say an atomic bomb has more destructive force, well, because, we saw exactly that.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So basically what you're saying is that Superman's world engine feat is a better strength feat because he struggled with it whereas Hancock casually stopping the train isn't as good because he easily did it?

How does stopping a train, earth tech, which hancock was far above, and he was at full strength best MOS taking down a alien world engine that had serious defense capability and he did it while weakened.