Darth Vader vs Darth Plagueis

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Because Khan.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Idk why the **** it matters since Vader reacted to him anyways.
He wasn't fast enough to react first but only after which is my point.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yea the matrix was bade in the same year as TPM 1999 so yea not really proving your point since they had the tech.

That's Harrison Ford. Han Solo can as stated by the ESB script.

Again just because you have something doesn't mean you can change it to what you want. Realisticly speaking he couldn't change it, he and to make it realistic for us yet fun so keeping it the same was the best way he felt, although the his script have HAN SOLOMmlving at those fast speeds.

No it's pretty factual since he worked with the book adaptation authors very closely and Sidious and Mace were described as fading in and out of existence.

And since 1999 Lucas had access to a far greater budget than the original matrix and made alterations in the original trilogy thus destroying your own point.

We see the character react in the scene. No movie requires the viewer to see the script to see what truly happens. 😂

That is hyperbole and we clearly see them never fade out of existence. It's laughable to even suggest such a thing.

He blocked it with his hand. Wtf are you talking about?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Ya know I don't get why it's impossible for you Quan for Han to move at those speeds in the script of a CANON movie just because Ford was unable to cause news flash he's an actor not a quickdraw artist, when he's in a Universe where guys can move shit with their minds and move faster than regular people can see.
Lucas has since had the special effects and made alterations in the ot. This has never changed. No movie ever requires someone who views it to refer to the script and dismiss the film. It's asinine.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
He blocked it with his hand. Wtf are you talking about?
He wasn't fast enough to disarm him before he could fire. He was fast enough to raise his hands. Point is any half skilled jackass like Han can fire first on Vader. Vader also had onesided prep in that he knew Han was coming.

To be fair, Maul had the high ground on a braided padawan in TPM and had him spring up, flip over him, land and turn, then bisect him, all before he could react.

Lulz 👆

Originally posted by Trocity
To be fair, Maul had the high ground on a braided padawan in TPM and had him spring up, flip over him, land and turn, then bisect him, all before he could react.
He was caught off guard but yes precognition can outright fail worse than human reaction time. Talk to the guy who thinks Maul can best Spider-Man not your friendly neighborhood Quan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
And since 1999 Lucas had access to a far greater budget than the original matrix and made alterations in the original trilogy thus destroying your own point.

We see the character react in the scene. No movie requires the viewer to see the script to see what truly happens. 😂

That is hyperbole and we clearly see them never fade out of existence. It's laughable to even suggest such a thing.

Tjat has nothing to do with anything. So what he had a greater budget than a film made in the same year so he had the same tech. There is nothing relating to your point here.

Harrison Ford isn't the same as Han Solo. Han Solo according to Lucas can pull his gun faster than the blink of an eye as according to the script of ESB which is canon.

Well actaully considering it was said in the novel you would have to prove its hyperbole since the novel makes it pretty clear that it was entirely possible and most likely did in fact happen.

The shadow he fought, that blur of speed—could that be Palpatine?

Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them—but he could feel them in the Force. The Force itself roiled and burst and crashed around them, boiling with power and lightspeed ricochets of lethal intent. And it was darkening.

Source: Revenge of the Sith

Well the novel doesn't specifically say how fast noting that Han while he may have had the fastest draw was no match, however still it notes that it was an incredible speed, he cleared his holster in an instant and fired.

'I'm sorry, too,' Han snapped. In that instant, he cleared his blaster from its holster, aimed it directly at the figure in black, and began to pump laser bolts Vader's way.

But the man who may have been the fastest draw in the galaxy was not fast enough to surprise Vader. Before those bolts zipped halfway across the table, the Dark Lord had lifted a gauntlet-protected hand and effortlessly deflected them so they exploded against the wall in a harmless spray of flying white shards.

- ESB novel

The Jr novel notes he made a quick draw and Vader moved with incredible speed to block the shots.

Chewbacca roared. Leia froze. And Solo made his move, quick-drawing his blaster pistol to fire at Vader. But the dark lord, moving with incredible speed, raised his right black-gloved hand and deflected the fired bolt into the wall. Han rapidly squeezed off three more shots, but all were just as easily nullified by Vader. Then Han felt an invisible tug as his blaster was torn from his grip. The weapon flew through the air, straight at Vader, who caught it by the barrel.

- ESB Jr novel

Neither of em really contradict the script, so it's still fine as far as what happened.

Edit: Oops thought you were still on the Han thing.

We still are. You're fine man.

ES2 why don't we just end the debate. It's obvious neither of you are going to agree on the context of the scene.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Tjat has nothing to do with anything. So what he had a greater budget than a film made in the same year so he had the same tech. There is nothing relating to your point here.

Harrison Ford isn't the same as Han Solo. Han Solo according to Lucas can pull his gun faster than the blink of an eye as according to the script of ESB which is canon.

Well actaully considering it was said in the novel you would have to prove its hyperbole since the novel makes it pretty clear that it was entirely possible and most likely did in fact happen.

The shadow he fought, that blur of speed—could that be Palpatine?

Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them—but he could feel them in the Force. The Force itself roiled and burst and crashed around them, boiling with power and lightspeed ricochets of lethal intent. And it was darkening.

Source: Revenge of the Sith

You said he didn't have the special effects but he made changes when he did thus destroying your claim. 💃

Han Solo is Harrison Ford and the special effects didn't alter the scene. Palpatine also didn't move in hyperbole. I timed his fl that caught idiotic Yoda by surprise despite a warning and the fact it was a two second attack.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You said he didn't have the special effects but he made changes when he did thus destroying your claim. 💃

Han Solo is Harrison Ford and the special effects didn't alter the scene. Palpatine also didn't move in hyperbole. I timed his fl that caught idiotic Yoda by surprise despite a warning and the fact it was a two second attack.

I never said he didn't have special effects. I said just because he had them doesn't mean he could have used them to fix whatever he wanted.

Harrison ford is a regular human who plays a fast quickdrawing pilot. Two different people. Like Daniel Radcliffe and Harry Potter. Daniel Radcliffe plays Harry, but Dan isn't a wizard Harry is.

Originally posted by Syndicate
ES2 why don't we just end the debate. It's obvious neither of you are going to agree on the context of the scene.
If only it were that easy

Originally posted by Sinious
If only it were that easy

;(

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I never said he didn't have special effects. I said just because he had them doesn't mean he could have used them to fix whatever he wanted.

Harrison ford is a regular human who plays a fast quickdrawing pilot. Two different people. Like Daniel Radcliffe and Harry Potter. Daniel Radcliffe plays Harry, but Dan isn't a wizard Harry is.

That is exactly what that means since the special effects can make that a reality. He didn't change the scene but altered other scenes.

Special effects, editing are used and we see Han react and we can time out his attack. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is exactly what that means since the special effects can make that a reality. He didn't change the scene but altered other scenes.

Special effects, editing are used and we see Han react and we can time out his attack. 😂

Not necessarily.

The script says how fast Han Solo is, movie isn't accurate.