Darth Vader vs Darth Plagueis

Originally posted by quanchi112
What we see is fact. Period. You ignoring canon is your own thing. A much higher budget so I was right.

He implemented additional clips of enhanced special effects and he never altered the Han Solo feat. Hilarious your own point used against you since he altered the films with better special effects. 😂

What we read in the script is fact. Period. If I'm not mistaken I was under the impression the script of the SW movies are the same level of not more so canon then the movies? A budget that had 1 no relation to Star Wars and was made in 2008 I believe so your point doesn't hold water as Lucas had less tech to work with.

Again how do you expect him to make it to the level he would want. He has to make it appear realistic done enjoy it. The script is what he really wanted since the film is based off the script for the most part.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What we see is fact.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
What we read in the script is fact. Period. If I'm not mistaken I was under the impression the script of the SW movies are the same level of not more so canon then the movies? A budget that had 1 no relation to Star Wars and was made in 2008 I believe so your point doesn't hold water as Lucas had less tech to work with.

Again how do you expect him to make it to the level he would want. He has to make it appear realistic done enjoy it. The script is what he really wanted since the film is based off the script for the most part.

We see the force run in phantom menace and we've seen superhuman speed in combat before. This is about the force not realism ffs. 😂

Originally posted by Rebel95
Not true.

Even in the new Canon Commander Beck has never seen anyone draw as fast as Han Solo does- Smuggler's Run (part of Journey to the Force Awakens series).

Spoiler:
But Quan wouldn't know about that. He doesn't read those novels because he's not a true TFA fan.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He doesn't read those novels because he's not a true TFA fan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The script is vague but the film is a fact. Lucas had the special effects to make it happen but he chose not to because the scene was perfect as it was. Han draws fires and then Vader responds.

We see the force run in phantom menace and we've seen superhuman speed in combat before. This is about the force not realism ffs. 😂

How is the script vague when it has more detail. It explains the scenes of the film, and what Lucas wants. You ignoring that is irrelevant to this matter. This isn't DBZ. He didn't have the special effects to make it happen because if he did he would have done it. The script describes in detail what he imagined and wanted, gives clear descriptions, so I'm not seeing how it's vague.

Guess what TPM had that the original trilogy didn't. Better tech and a bigger budget. How does what you said have anything to do with what I said? I'll tell you nothing.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This post right here sums up why no one takes you seriously and Quan has a 50-0 KO record against you.

facepalm

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Even in the new Canon Commander Beck has never seen anyone draw as fast as Han Solo does- Smuggler's Run (part of Journey to the Force Awakens series).

Spoiler:
But Quan wouldn't know about that. He doesn't read those novels because he's not a true TFA fan.

Ooo nice, of course not surprising Han is suppose to be the fastest gunman in the galaxy(aside from Gallandro in Legends though he died sadly), which is quite impressive when you consider just how big the galaxy is.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Ooo nice, of course not surprising Han is suppose to be the fastest gunman

Was that ever confirmed or eluded to anywhere else? I mean I hope he is but I've just had a hard time proving it in Legends. But whether or not he's the best going by Beck's thoughts in Smugglers Run, he's clearly exceptionally fast.

So him and Chewie together would clearly give a lot of the top bounty hunters a run for their money.

But for if Solo's going to be the very best at anything I'd prefer him being the best pilot. Best out of all the Human and Non-Jedi/Sith pilots of course. Luke's got the post ROTJ reputation of best pilot in the galaxy as stated in The Weapon of a Jedi.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Was that ever confirmed or eluded to anywhere else? I mean I hope he is but I've just had a hard time proving it in Legends. But whether or not he's the best going by Beck's thoughts in Smugglers Run, he's clearly exceptionally fast.

So him and Chewie together would clearly give a lot of the top bounty hunters a run for their money.

But for if Solo's going to be the very best at anything I'd prefer him being the best pilot. Best out of all the Human and Non-Jedi/Sith pilots of course. Luke's got the post ROTJ reputation of best pilot in the galaxy as stated in The Weapon of a Jedi.

Yeah it's mentioned a few times that Han has the fastest draw in the galaxy in Legends aside from Gallandro who was the fastest before he died.

I'd give some quotes, but got work soon and don't got time to dig through books atm.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Yeah it's mentioned a few times that Han has the fastest draw in the galaxy in Legends aside from Gallandro who was the fastest before he died.

I'd give some quotes, but got work soon and don't got time to dig through books atm.

Ok cool. Looks like they're going that way in canon too.

Except for the Star Wars comic where Han tells Leia that Sana is a better draw/shot than him. But he might have just said that because he didn't want to shoot her.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This post right here sums up why no one takes you seriously and Quan has a 50-0 KO record against you.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
How is the script vague when it has more detail. It explains the scenes of the film, and what Lucas wants. You ignoring that is irrelevant to this matter. This isn't DBZ. He didn't have the special effects to make it happen because if he did he would have done it. The script describes in detail what he imagined and wanted, gives clear descriptions, so I'm not seeing how it's vague.

Guess what TPM had that the original trilogy didn't. Better tech and a bigger budget. How does what you said have anything to do with what I said? I'll tell you nothing.

Rotj was altered with better special effects so they can do that to any of them. They are canon and we take them as we see them.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is not what we see in the film. Lucas had the special effects to alter the scene so he decided it's fine the way it is. It's hilarious you try to alter evidence and ignore real time every chance you get.

Rotj was altered with better special effects so they can do that to any of them. They are canon and we take them as we see them.

Yes it is. For the most part what happens in the script happens in the movies. There are certain aspects of force enhanced super humans and non force enhanced humans that he can't put, like moving at the speed he described. Jusy because you have something doesn't mean you can do everything. Just because I have money does that mean I can buy the world?

Again just because you have something doesn't mean you can alter whatever you want. He is still limited to human error and tech of the 70s and 80s. We see much better choreography in the prequels due to better tech and they appear to move faster don't they. If he has Han Solo moving at those speeds imagine the speeds he has Hoda, and Sidious, and Mace, and Obi and all of them moving in their deuls in his head.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Yes it is. For the most part what happens in the script happens in the movies. There are certain aspects of force enhanced super humans and non force enhanced humans that he can't put, like moving at the speed he described. Jusy because you have something doesn't mean you can do everything. Just because I have money does that mean I can buy the world?

Again just because you have something doesn't mean you can alter whatever you want. He is still limited to human error and tech of the 70s and 80s. We see much better choreography in the prequels due to better tech and they appear to move faster don't they. If he has Han Solo moving at those speeds imagine the speeds he has Hoda, and Sidious, and Mace, and Obi and all of them moving in their deuls in his head.

Sorry, but Han Solo moves at his own speed and he can't move and fire in millimeters.

The ot's were updated after the prequels but guess what didn't change.

Baseless claims.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We have seen many other charades portrayed at superspeed take a look a the matrix. 😂

Sorry, but Han Solo moves at his own speed and he can't move and fire in millimeters.

The ot's were updated after the prequels but guess what didn't change.

Baseless claims.

Yea the matrix was bade in the same year as TPM 1999 so yea not really proving your point since they had the tech.

That's Harrison Ford. Han Solo can as stated by the ESB script.

Again just because you have something doesn't mean you can change it to what you want. Realisticly speaking he couldn't change it, he and to make it realistic for us yet fun so keeping it the same was the best way he felt, although the his script have HAN SOLOMmlving at those fast speeds.

No it's pretty factual since he worked with the book adaptation authors very closely and Sidious and Mace were described as fading in and out of existence.

Ya know I don't get why it's impossible for you Quan for Han to move at those speeds in the script of a CANON movie just because Ford was unable to cause news flash he's an actor not a quickdraw artist, when he's in a Universe where guys can move shit with their minds and move faster than regular people can see.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Ya know I don't get why it's impossible for you Quan for Han to move at those speeds in the script of a CANON movie, when he's in a Universe where guys can move shit with their minds and move faster than regular people can see.

😂 😂 😂 😂

Idk why the **** it matters since Vader reacted to him anyways.