Originally posted by quanchi112
We literally see him draw and fire. We can time it out. Want to ?
The script says what happened, that's what happened. Of course Ford isn't gonna be able to draw that fast, the script however from the movie notes that Han Solo did.
If you can't even take the script as a fact, then I don't know what to tell you.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We don't see him react in realtime so to me it's all speculation how much time passed. We also see Luke was quick enough despite not completing his training to tag Vader in the shoulder. We also see Vader isn't quick enough to defend himself against Ezra and Kanan's force push. That's canon and we see it occur in real time. Evidence, how wonderful you are.
I have more canon sources on my side, I have sources that I just posted saying how fast Vader was, there was no hyperbole all showing/saying how fast he was. You ignoring that isn't going to change that. So I'm glad you concede, and now you can no longer say Vader is slow now that you have been proved wrong. There is no specualtion sense all of what I posted is facts. The time is pretty much instant. It says he moves faster than a FORCE WEILDER can react, and then the emperor who we all know is fast he was stated to move faster than him and an enraged Jedi knight and we have seen how enraged Jedi are in Obi wan in TPM and Anakin in ROTS, and Maul in TCW same with savage and Quin Lin Vos. Checkmate.
Blocking blaster bolts is slow now? Heck, back in the old canon Vader blocked literal lasers from IG-88. In the new canon Kanan and even Ezra can deflect TIE fighter bolts which can tag other fighters and in the films we see fighters while cruising cross hundreds of thousands of kilometers in a few minutes while in space.
Originally posted by redpill
IMO any sith with force lightening can grievously injure vader and that includes dooku and nihl and talon
Nope. Vader's suit is insulated and he can block lightning. Granted anybody capable of lightning has an advantage over Vader as he would have to stop an attack to block it.
Originally posted by ZenwolfWe time out his feat. We don't ever supersede the time a feat takes place and refer to some vague hyperbolic script reference. I take the feat as fact as it occurs in realtime.
The script says what happened, that's what happened. Of course Ford isn't gonna be able to draw that fast, the script however from the movie notes that Han Solo did.If you can't even take the script as a fact, then I don't know what to tell you.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Vader is fast with a saber but not movement wise as I have him in real time being slow. He's also canonically described in battlefront as slow and powerful. He is.m he's always been.
I have more canon sources on my side, I have sources that I just posted saying how fast Vader was, there was no hyperbole all showing/saying how fast he was. You ignoring that isn't going to change that. So I'm glad you concede, and now you can no longer say Vader is slow now that you have been proved wrong. There is no specualtion sense all of what I posted is facts. The time is pretty much instant. It says he moves faster than a FORCE WEILDER can react, and then the emperor who we all know is fast he was stated to move faster than him and an enraged Jedi knight and we have seen how enraged Jedi are in Obi wan in TPM and Anakin in ROTS, and Maul in TCW same with savage and Quin Lin Vos. Checkmate.
We see two force users use the force to sprint away from combat. It is like saying since Usain Bolt can run faster than Bruce Lee his reflexes are better. It's horrendous and illogical.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Vader is fast with a saber but not movement wise as I have him in real time being slow. He's also canonically described in battlefront as slow and powerful. He is.m he's always been.We see two force users use the force to sprint away from combat. It is like saying since Usain Bolt can run faster than Bruce Lee his reflexes are better. It's horrendous and illogical.
These canon sources say he moves extrem,y fast. These aren't hyperbole these are explicit. They say he moved faster than a Jedi could react and Jedi have precog and superhuman reflexes. He's described in Lords of the Sith and other canon sources and EU sources as fast and powerful.
That relates to this how? Sidious has shown how fast he is in sprint and reflexes and Vader was said to move faster than he. Even with the emperor holding back the fact he moved that fast shows he has speed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is just there to describe the scene and we see it doesn't occur in milliseconds.
Can't take film like Star Wars at face value. The script is what Lucas wanted but couldn't portray due to faults that weren't his own. He could go with what tech gave him. Notice the quality of deals increase in the prequels due to greater tech. The script is what Lucas wanted but had to restrain the films so people would actually want to watch them. Can't be DBZ.
Originally posted by ZenwolfHe is that character and we see how quickly he can draw. Deal with it. Next thing you'll tell me is that Sidious didn't take two seconds to fl ko Yoda and it was a nanosecond attack because Ian's old irl.
....Because Ford obviously can't draw that fast in RL, Han Solo the character however can.
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Originally posted by EmperorSidious2The script is vague and describes a scene but we see and can quantify the scene by timing it out. The timing of all of the feats from e sry single movie counts as it occurs in real time.
Can't take film like Star Wars at face value. The script is what Lucas wanted but couldn't portray due to faults that weren't his own. He could go with what tech gave him. Notice the quality of deals increase in the prequels due to greater tech. The script is what Lucas wanted but had to restrain the films so people would actually want to watch them. Can't be DBZ.
The lengths you'll try to go to exaggerate Vader.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
The script is vague and describes a scene but we see and can quantify the scene by timing it out. The timing of all of the feats from e sry single movie counts as it occurs in real time.The lengths you'll try to go to exaggerate Vader.
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No the script is not vague. The script is what Lucas wanted. He didn't have the finances he did with the prequels and he didn't have the tech he did with the prequels so he couldn't do everything he wanted, also he has to make this attractive to us for to watch. You can't have any of them moving their blades as fast as the EU would describe or the novelization so we can see it and so we can enjoy it. The scripts are canon, they are what Lucas wanted, and you have to deal with that.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2It isn't what we see. We see him shoot in far more time than milliseconds in the movie. We see a much lesser budget demonstrate superspeed on the show true blood so don't give me that. Han Solo isn't that fast and the budget for esb was much more than anh. 🙂
No the script is not vague. The script is what Lucas wanted. He didn't have the finances he did with the prequels and he didn't have the tech he did with the prequels so he couldn't do everything he wanted, also he has to make this attractive to us for to watch. You can't have any of them moving their blades as fast as the EU would describe or the novelization so we can see it and so we can enjoy it. The scripts are canon, they are what Lucas wanted, and you have to deal with that.
Ps. He's also altered the ot with greater special effects and not once did he alter this scene.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It isn't what we see. We see him shoot in far more time than milliseconds in the movie. We see a much lesser budget demonstrate superspeed on the show true blood so don't give me that. Han Solo isn't that fast and the budget for esb was much more than anh. 🙂Ps. He's also altered the ot with greater special effects and not once did he alter this scene.
Like I said you can't take what we see at face value. For instance I would bet that Dooku's duels with Yoda in AOTC, Lucas in sinned that in his mind as much faster and more flashy than that. What much lesser budget? True blood and Star Wars don't have the same anything so they don't relate. At max ESB had 3 times as much as ANH and ANH had 11 million. The script which is canon says faster than the wink of an eye, and Han being the person he is that is entreat within the realm of possibility for SW.
When Lucas remakes them he doesn't focus on everything. He focuses on certain aspects and why fix this. Film wise it's nothing wrong with it.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2What we see is fact. Period. You ignoring canon is your own thing. A much higher budget so I was right.
Like I said you can't take what we see at face value. For instance I would bet that Dooku's duels with Yoda in AOTC, Lucas in sinned that in his mind as much faster and more flashy than that. What much lesser budget? True blood and Star Wars don't have the same anything so they don't relate. At max ESB had 3 times as much as ANH and ANH had 11 million. The script which is canon says faster than the wink of an eye, and Han being the person he is that is entreat within the realm of possibility for SW.When Lucas remakes them he doesn't focus on everything. He focuses on certain aspects and why fix this. Film wise it's nothing wrong with it.
He implemented additional clips of enhanced special effects and he never altered the Han Solo feat. Hilarious your own point used against you since he altered the films with better special effects. 😂