Originally posted by McP
Masters of paper's feats. At this moment, I feel that Vader is really overhyped. After all, ESB Luke was able to hit his armor. ROTJ Luke bested him. ANH Kenobi was comfortably able to hold his own. Kanan and Ezra combined were able to Force push him (doesn't matter if he was discracted, he shouldn't be). In the Legends Dark Woman who past her prime, and few other mid-level Jedi were a match for him.No way that he's going to beat someone of Plagueis' caliber.
Come on Dude, a lot has changed. Vader under Disney Canon is a Force Beast. He never used TK against ROTJ Luke or ANH Ben, so nothing's been contradicted. And it's not like Kenobi or Luke Skywalker are weak either. But all these new comic book showings for Vader are Canon.
It was different in Legends, and very different in Lucas's own continuity. But under Disney's new continuity Vader is something else.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You have let me down and I release you from the challenge. I will find someone with the passion to argue it someday. Your heart isn't in it.
Quan I'm going to end this khan debate here. Khan can't handle Vader or Sidious. You take Canon only, I believe those new comic books we have seen are canon now. We see Vader tear down ships, we explicitly see him move in blurs to deflect blaster bolts. Now imagine that and put a being of much greater power palpatine. Imagine what he could do just based off that. Now it's your choice on if you wanna use ROTJ Sidious or ROTS Sidious. I don't care which. Hell you could even use TPM Sidious because it all comes down to same thing. Either Sidious will blitz Khan, ragdoll him, or fry his ass with lightning. I'm going to be nice and let you decide how Khan dies since you love him so much.
Don't bring up any old argument you use like, Sidious didn't kill Luke with lightning after exposure to it for long periods of time, he was trotting hi. For the majority of the time, or he was killed by a one handed cyborg, while being distracted torturing his biggest adversary. Another one you would bring up is Vader is slow. Look at those scans where we see Vader on the panel moving in blurs easily. Now all of this is just canon, you said canon only, never said just movies TCW and Rebels. Let go to rebels, don't use the "oh Ezra and Kanan force pushed Vader so Khan can easily shoot him with his gun" argument, because Khan doesn't have the force and Khan wouldn't even make it that far. Did you see what Vader did? He lifted an AT-AT with ease.
Vader has the force, Khan doesn't. All he has is his gun which based on feats Vader or Sidious can easily take away. Sidious is more powerful than Vader no has a wider array of powers that real extreme magnitudes. Khan shall die a slow and painful death by both. You lose. You always lose.
Originally posted by Darth ThorLegends Vader really isn't that different from Canon Vader, more impressive feats yes but nothing Legends Vader couldn't feasibly accomplish.
Come on Dude, a lot has changed. Vader under Disney Canon is a Force Beast. He never used TK against ROTJ Luke or ANH Ben, so nothing's been contradicted. And it's not like Kenobi or Luke Skywalker are weak either. But all these new comic book showings for Vader are Canon.It was different in Legends, and very different in Lucas's own continuity. But under Disney's new continuity Vader is something else.
He's certainly done nothing to suggest he's a more powerful or even comparable in any aspect of the Force to Plagueis.
People are getting overexcited concerning feats that aren't even Starkiller level.
Originally posted by ILS
Pretty sure Plagueis did heal fully from the Maladian attack