Stark/Banner vs. Rogers/Thor

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm pretty sure that grimace is because Thor is pissed off, not because he's having a hard time crumpling the armor.

Also to the question you asked earlier, the combatants can't bring/summon any external devices once the fight starts.

He wasn't grimacing before the squeezing.

Welp there goes trying to use Veronica 😛

Originally posted by 80sBaby
He crushed Tony's armor, which earlier models were shown taking tank shells with only superficial damage, by squeezing with his hand. That's pretty casual.

He could probably rip the armor apart quickly but it isn't like crushing a can. He was working for it

Originally posted by Silent Master
If you're going to have IM going all out and fighting OOC, then you have to give Thor the same benefit and in that case, IM dies rather quickly.

How is using ranged weapons and fighting cleverly "OOC" for Tony though? He's done this numerous times in the past against various different opponents.

As to damage, if a large boulder tossed at him by Kurse can at least temporarily hurt Thor a bit and cause him some hassle, getting hit by the kinds of missiles Tony was using to drop the Hydra forcefield in AoU should at least cause him some inconvenience. Not saying they would do any real damage, but chances are they would rock him temporarily. Hell, we literally see that Tony's repulsor blasts are strong enough to stagger Thor a bit, and those are his most basic weapons. Not to mention Thor would have to connect hits with Mjolnir, considering his lightning only amps Tony's suit, and every time he tries to toss it he leaves himself open.

Again, Thor would beat Tony, but Tony can drag it out a bit if he utilizes all his weapons and intelligence properly. If you disagree, by all means tell me how Thor is going to kill Tony so quickly, if Tony doesn't stick to just melee and repulsors?

The easiest way would be a charged hammer strike but that would be massive overkill, Thor just needs to hit Ironman with a full strength Mjolnir strike.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The easiest way would be a charged hammer strike but that would be massive overkill, Thor just needs to hit Ironman with a full strength Mjolnir strike.

And Tony is going to stand there and wait for Thor to hit him, instead of actively trying to avoid it or fight back? Tony has dodged a tank shell before, avoided ranged fire from Chitauri fighters, Hydra soldiers etc., so do you really think he is going to wait for Thor to one-shot him? So basically it requires the opposite of using his full arsenal and intelligence for Thor to actually kill him quickly.

Do I think Thor is fast and skilled enough to hit Iron-man, yes I do. But feel free to make an argument for Tony being too fast for Thor to hit even once.

As per their previous fight, it seemed like Tony was the one having a hard time landing hits on Thor.

In any case, do we think Thor will have a harder time hitting IM than Hulk hitting Cap?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Do I think Thor is fast and skilled enough to hit Iron-man, yes I do. But feel free to make an argument for Tony being too fast for Thor to hit even once.

Ummm... where exactly did I say Thor will never hit Tony once? In fact, I said Thor would beat Tony, but Tony could drag it out. Don't try to flip the argument to avoid backing your own claim. You claimed he would charge-strike him or do one of his full powered hits. You made the claim. Not me. Thor's heaviest strikes normally require a brief moment before delivering them, and the vast majority of his best striking feats are against immobile objects/opponents (Jotunheim, Cap's shield, vibranium core etc.), not someone fast and agile enough to dodge tank rockets and outfly fighter planes. We both know hitting a stationary object is not even remotely the same as trying to tag an actively resisting opponent, capable of supersonic flight.

So again, you made the claim he will just one-shot him like that, even if Tony actively uses all his weapons and intelligence to fight back. So burden of proof is on you, not me.

Stark and Hulk win.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Ummm... where exactly did I say Thor will never hit Tony once? In fact, I said Thor would beat Tony, but Tony could drag it out. Don't try to flip the argument to avoid backing your own claim. You claimed he would charge-strike him or do one of his full powered hits. You made the claim. Not me. Thor's heaviest strikes normally require a brief moment before delivering them, and the vast majority of his best striking feats are against immobile objects/opponents (Jotunheim, Cap's shield, vibranium core etc.), not someone fast and agile enough to dodge tank rockets and outfly fighter planes. We both know hitting a stationary object is not even remotely the same as trying to tag an actively resisting opponent, capable of supersonic flight.

So again, you made the claim he will just one-shot him like that, even if Tony actively uses all his weapons and intelligence to fight back. So burden of proof is on you, not me.

Their fight in Avengers already showed that Thor has the ability to hit Iron-man and the strength needed to take him out if he wanted.

Your "evidence" is him tagging Tony with lesser attacks, in a fight Tony only used a fraction of his arsenal? In response to me asking you how he is going to quickly (considering you made the claim that he is killing Tony quickly) use a strike, that usually has a small delay, against Iron Man, who is also using his lasers, mini-rockets, base/tankbusters etc. So you don't actually have proof that Thor could easily land one of his charged/most powerful strikes on an Iron Man using ALL his weapons and intelligence in a fight? Glad we got that settled.

The charged hammer strike was only one way, I also pointed out that given Thor's strength an all out regular Mjolnir hit would also do the job.

Thor can solo all 3 scenarios tbh.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The charged hammer strike was only one way, I also pointed out that given Thor's strength an all out regular Mjolnir hit would also do the job.

Again, the argument is not whether Thor could beat him or not. The argument is whether he could do so quickly, more quickly in fact than their fight in Avengers lasted (that was your claim). Name one of Thor's toughest strikes that he used quickly, and against a flying, agile opponent, that could drop Tony in one go. You said he could, so provide the feat.

My claim is that Thor has the strength needed to end the fight with one hit, which he does.

Sorry, nope. You said this:

Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor's high end attacks are a good deal above Iron-man's, so both going all out would just mean that Tony dies faster . as it stands, an amped but holding back Tony was losing and getting damaged from a holding back Thor who ended the fight without any sign of injury.

And that was in response to my comment that Tony did not use his full arsenal during their previous fight. So you plainly said that both of them going all out would result in Tony losing more quickly than that fight. Nice try though.

Yes, he would die faster as one hit is faster than 30 hits. and considering that the fights are taking place in Stark tower I don't see Tony dodging for very long if at all.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes, he would die faster as one hit is faster than 30 hits. and considering that the fights are taking place in Stark tower I don't see Tony dodging for very long if at all.

Then by all means, provide a feat of Thor one-shotting an opponent like Tony, as I asked. Every time you respond it is nothing more than "I don't see", "I feel" etc.

Their fight shows that Thor has the strength needed to one shot him, as when he finally got annoyed with IM, Thor was crushing the suit with his bare hands and even dented it with a headbutt. now imagine Thor hitting IM with Mjonlir while using that level of strength.

So instead of providing an actual screen feat of Thor one-shotting someone with Tony's capabilities and intelligence, your only piece of evidence is him damaging an older, less advanced, and, based on the fact that his AoU suit tanked being right under the vibranium core explosion when it went off, less durable armour. And again, Tony was not using his own lasers, tank busters or mini rockets to hamper Thor during their fight either. If that is what you call definitive proof to back your claim that Thor could quickly one-shot a Tony going all out, we are done here.

That's the thing people quickly forget. Tony's Avengers 1 suit got banged up getting stuck in the Helicarrier turbine, to the point of him rather risking removing it to change suits during his confrontation with Loki, as opposed to keeping it on for safety. His AoU suit tanked a city blowing up on top of it. So based on feats, his AoU armour is a lot tougher than his Avengers armour.