Maul or Kenobi can take on Grievous and stalemate/beat him.
Unfortunately DD Vos should be fast enough to beat both of them given that he oupaced Dooku.
If it's Kenobi vs Grievous and Maul vs DD Vos then that's Team 1's best bet.
Maul's own speed feats might allow him to keep up with Vos long enough for Kenobi to defeat Grievous but it would be a near thing.
I'd favor team 2 for a majority.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
If anything it's Maul's Force abilities that would be his greatest boon against Vos.
With Vos's speed he could pressure Maul enough that he'd have trouble responding with a force attack though to be fair he did so to Grievous who should have been able to pressure Maul as much as Vos could. Regardless Maul should not be able to use his force advantage as a significant beneficial factor in a fight against Vos. In other words he may be able to blast Vos back but it would do little other then to stall him. Though that might prove beneficial in buying Kenobi more time to defeat Grievous and come to his aid.
Wow, Vos is so overrated.
You want to know another guy who was also faster than Dooku?
Spoiler:
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Dooku apparently lost, because of Vos' unpredictability and because he underestimated him.
Considering that Maul is a master of Juyo, which is also unpredictable, as well as not having history with Vos he has no reason to underestimate him. Maul wins.
Kenobi vs Grievous is a forgone conclusion.
Team one wins 👆
Originally posted by cs_zoltanYou want to know another guy who was also faster than Dooku?
Spoiler:
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Nah Dooku's faster than Kenobi.
Originally posted by cs_zoltanDooku apparently lost, because of Vos' unpredictability and because he underestimated him.
Considering that Maul is a master of Juyo, which is also unpredictable,
It was Vos's very nature was unpredictable, not his Saber form. There's a difference.
So it's not like anyone who uses Juyo is going to beat Dooku because of it's "unpredictability".
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Nah Dooku's faster than Kenobi.
"Your moves are too slow, Kenobi. Too predictable. You'll have to do better."
Kenobi's response to this friendly word was to regard him with a twinkle of gentle amusement in his eye.
"Very well, then," the Jedi said, and shot straight upward over Dooku's head so fast it seemed he'd vanished.
And in the space where Kenobi's chest had been was now only the blue lightning of Skywalker's blade driving straight for Dooku's heart.
Only a desperate whirl to one side made what would have been a smoking hole in his chest into a line of scorch through his armorweave cloak.
Dooku thought, What?
He threw himself spinning up and away from the two Jedi to land on the situation table, disengaging for a moment to recover his composure—that had been entirely too close—but by the time his boots touched down Kenobi was there to meet him, blade weaving through a defensive velocity so bewilderingly fast that Dooku dared not even try a strike; he threw a feint toward Kenobi's face, then dropped and spun in a reverse ankle-sweep—but not only did Kenobi easily overleap this attack, Dooku nearly lost his own foot to a slash from Skywalker.
...
He finally registered the source of that blinding defensive velocity Kenobi had used a moment ago, and only then, belatedly, did he understand that Kenobi's Ataro and Shii-Cho had been ploys, as well.
—Revenge of the Sith
^ None of that makes Kenobi faster than Dooku. It just shows he has a faster defense, which is the whole point of Soresu.
Also him jumping over Dooku doesn't mean much when it was still Dooku who was fast enough to fight off both Kenobi and Skywalker at once and still catch them both off guard.
In fact the Rise and Fall of Darth Vader confirms Dooku beat Kenobi in ROTS because he moved faster than him.
Their last fight in TCW also portrays Dooku as clearly faster and more skilled.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ None of that makes Kenobi faster than Dooku.
^ All of them makes Kenobi faster than Dooku.
It just shows he has a faster defense, which is the whole point of Soresu.
How is Soresu's point to have faster defense? 😕
Also him jumping over Dooku doesn't mean much
Oh? So seeming to vanish is not a sign of superior speed? I guess Sidious was not faster than Anakin when he was phasing in and out of existance...
when it was still Dooku who was fast enough to fight off both Kenobi and Skywalker at once and still catch them both off guard.
1. How does that make Dooku faster? Fighting two enemy doesn't mean you are faster. Is Kenobi faster than Maul and Savage combined?
2. Dooku barely even fought the two of them. At the begining they were deliberately jobbing, after that Dooku was consistantly on his back foot, the only reason he wasn't dead then and there because he managed to BFR one of them each time.
In fact the Rise and Fall of Darth Vader confirms Dooku beat Kenobi in ROTS because he moved faster than him.
>Dooku moves faster than Kenobi once, Dooku faster confirmed.
>Kenobi moves faster than Dooku three times, doesn't matter.
Gotcha.
Their last fight in TCW also portrays Dooku as clearly faster and more skilled.
I'll get back to you when I care about pre-prime Kenobi.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan👆
^ All of them makes Kenobi faster than Dooku.How is Soresu's point to have faster defense? 😕
Oh? So seeming to vanish is not a sign of superior speed? I guess Sidious was not faster than Anakin when he was phasing in and out of existance...
1. How does that make Dooku faster? Fighting two enemy doesn't mean you are faster. Is Kenobi faster than Maul and Savage combined?
2. Dooku barely even fought the two of them. At the begining they were deliberately jobbing, after that Dooku was consistantly on his back foot, the only reason he wasn't dead then and there because he managed to BFR one of them each time.>Dooku moves faster than Kenobi once, Dooku faster confirmed.
>Kenobi moves faster than Dooku three times, doesn't matter.Gotcha.
I'll get back to you when I care about pre-prime Kenobi.
He ignores evidence and when he tires of you proving him wrong he will put you on ignore.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
^ All of them makes Kenobi faster than Dooku.
LOL
Yeah so much faster he got stomped.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
How is Soresu's point to have faster defense? 😕
Because it wouldn't be a very good defense if it was slow now would it?
Point me to the part where it says Kenobi attacked with blinding velocity that Dooku just didn't dare to defend against or concede the point.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Oh? So seeming to vanish is not a sign of superior speed? I guess Sidious was not faster than Anakin when he was phasing in and out of existance...
Oh so Kenobi was invisible to Dooku now? Amazing Dooku didn't get stomped, and it was in fact Kenobi who some how managed to get stomped 3/3 times despite being so much faster LOL
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
1. How does that make Dooku faster? Fighting two enemy doesn't mean you are faster. Is Kenobi faster than Maul and Savage combined?
Well it certainly doesn't make him slower LOL. Which is your ridiculous claim.
Note Dooku didn't use Jar Kai so actually had to move fast enough to deflect/dodge simultaneous attacks from both Anakin and Obi-Wan.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
2. Dooku barely even fought the two of them. At the begining they were deliberately jobbing,
Yeah the actual fight as shown in the film had no "deliberate jobbing" just Kenobi getting trashed.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
after that Dooku was consistantly on his back foot,
So? Kenobi was consistently being forced back by Skywalker, yet he still beat him.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
the only reason he wasn't dead then and there because he managed to BFR one of them each time.
And how was he BFR'ing them? Oh that's right, by outfighting them. It was Kenobi who was lucky to survive when Dooku trashed him by being faster and more skilled.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
>Dooku moves faster than Kenobi once, Dooku faster confirmed.
>Kenobi moves faster than Dooku three times, doesn't matter.Gotcha.
> Dooku's faster than Kenobi in TCW thereby trashing him- Doesn't matter.
> Dooku's faster than Kenobi in ROTS thereby trashing him- Doesn't matter.
> Kenobi has a couple of hyperbolic statements on his side that don't even say he's faster than Dooku, and doesn't stop Dooku trashing him- That's all that matters.
Gotcha.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
I'll get back to you when I care about pre-prime Kenobi.
Proof Kenobi got faster from TCW S6 to ROTS?
Proof Kenobi even improved from TCW S6 to ROTS?
Fact is Kenobi's best feat was against Maul/Opress which was TCW S5.
Originally posted by TrocityThis is an eu thread so he may not be like myself and want to acknowledge it. He has evidence to support his beliefs which is all a Quan can ask for. Dooku is more skilled than Kenobi not faster movement wise.
quan all of that evidence is from the ROTS novel, which is non canon.In the movie, Dooku was fast enough to duel both of them simultaneously and kicked Kenobi's ass.
Originally posted by cs_zoltanI don't really see how that implies Dooku underestimated him. I mean, before they were just talking about how much stronger Vos has gotten:
Dooku’s own lightsaber was activated now, and the two men regarded each other. Dooku sighed. “Must we do this yet again? This time I shall make certain to swat this pesky fly!”
—Dark Disciple
"Dooku chuckled, looking the other man up and down appraisingly. "You seem...unburdened. I sense a greater strength in you."
"I agree," Vos said. "I am calmer. More focused. Stronger than before." In the blink of an eye, he seized and activated his lightsaber. Its green glow bathed his face as he smiled. "Strong enough to kill you."
Dooku himself sensed how strong Vos had become, and was quite intent on killing him. Doesn't make sense in that context why he would be underestimating Vos.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Because it wouldn't be a very good defense if it was slow now would it?Point me to the part where it says Kenobi attacked with blinding velocity that Dooku just didn't dare to defend against or concede the point.
Point me where every Soresu user is so fast that Dooku doesn't even dare to strike them.
Either Kenobi was a better duelist or he was faster than Dooku. Take your pick.
Oh so Kenobi was invisible to Dooku now? Amazing Dooku didn't get stomped, and it was in fact Kenobi who some how managed to get stomped 3/3 times despite being so much faster LOL
Your ridiculous remarks are noted, now try to actually explain your way out of the text explicitly saying Kenobi was so fast that he seemed to vanish to Dooku.
Well it certainly doesn't make him slower LOL. Which is your ridiculous claim.Note Dooku didn't use Jar Kai so actually had to move fast enough to deflect simultaneous attacks from both Anakin and Obi-Wan.
Yeah because you have to be mandatorily faster to fight to opponents and other advantages don't mean shit. Like better precog, better movement, more skilled etc. 🙄
Yeah the actual fight as shown in the film had no "deliberate jobbing" just Kenobi getting trashed.
We are in the EU forum though, if you don't want to discuss EU novels you can go to the movie forums...
So? Kenobi was consistently being forced back by Skywalker, yet he still beat him.
And he is faster and stronger than Kenobi, not to mention that's Kenobi's style, not Dooku's. Your point?
And how was he BFR'ing them? Oh that's right, by outfighting them. It was Kenobi who was lucky to survive when Dooku trashed him by being faster and more skilled.
And the only way to outfight someone is being faster 🙄
> Dooku's faster than Kenobi in TCW thereby trashing him- Doesn't matter.
> Dooku's faster than Kenobi in ROTS thereby trashing him- Doesn't matter.
> Kenobi has a couple of hyperbolic statements on his side that don't even say he's faster than Dooku, and doesn't stop Dooku trashing him- That's all that matters.Gotcha.
>Uses Pre-prime Kenobi
>Ignores novel
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Proof Kenobi got faster from TCW S6 to ROTS?Proof Kenobi even improved from TCW S6 to ROTS?
Fact is Kenobi's best feat was against Maul/Opress which was TCW S5.