Vader and Arkann run a gauntlet

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
At neutral starting distance? And it has never seemed to stop them, or Dooku, or well anyone really. They won't be ripping out the foundation or anything, but to act like they can't TK Kenobi out of the fight or out fight Ventress is pretty lulzy.

As we've seen Force users can combine their powers to make a force barrier. Team 2 would likely do so if Team 1 attempted to use the force against them right off the bat. Team 2 is strong enough to hold off an attack from Team 1 imo.

Personally I think the Hero's best Force feats are defensive in that she was able to defend against and overcome the force attacks of Vitiate in the Dark Temple while partially spent, when even after she defeats him and practically cuts him in half + he's utterly exhausted, he's still potent enough to rip the temple apart. And in that she resists Sel Makor's direct corrupting power in the heart of his domain, with Sel Makor being an immensely powerful darkside entity. Also the various statements that she's powerful enough to tank Vitiate's telepathy.

Or how she can mentally dominate Tol Braga, when he had incredibly powerful willpower and TP resistance, having broken the Emperor's domination by himself, something no-one else in history was able to do.

Why does Neph ignore the fact that TK attacks are not always the same power when comparing the tanking of Vitiate's TK to the Dark Temple feat, kek?

Also, when did she mentally dominate Tol Bragga? That sounds like a non-canon option.

Yeah, I'm sure Vitiate put way more power into collapsing the temple then he did in actual combat with his most hated enemy. The fact that he tries to kill the Hero by indirectly collapsing the temple as opposed to directly attacking her with TK proves she can tank and spank him.

Actually, the darkside choice with Tol Braga is canon. In the Imperial Agent storyline he's mentioned as being killed, which is something only executing him or sending him off to kill as many Sith as he can will lead to. AKA the darkside options.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Actually, the darkside choice with Tol Braga is canon. In the Imperial Agent storyline he's mentioned as being killed, which is something only executing him or sending him off to kill as many Sith as he can will lead to. AKA the darkside options.

Originally posted by Syndicate
As we've seen Force users can combine their powers to make a force barrier. Team 2 would likely do so if Team 1 attempted to use the force against them right off the bat.

Team 2 is strong enough to hold off an attack from Team 1 imo.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, I'm sure Vitiate put way more power into collapsing the temple then he did in actual combat with his most hated enemy. The fact that he tries to kill the Hero by indirectly collapsing the temple as opposed to directly attacking her with TK proves she can tank and spank him.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
ROFL. Or, following his redemption, he got into a confrontation with a Sith and... i dunno. died? 🙄

Speculation. Two options lead to his death, which is stated to have occurred. The other doesn't. It's illogical to posit something with no evidence when the alternatives already match. Besides, I'm pretty sure the game directly states he's on his way to Tython a few times. Also the HoT killed all the Sith between him and escape and captured his ship iirc.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Why exactly would Team 1 do that when they've never done it before. Anakin and Kenobi definitely didn't try to combine their powers when Dooku casually tried to TK both of them, they tried to individually block it. Either way, the point would be to focus solely on the weak links, not try to TK everyone at once.

Not even remotely. Arcann's shooting blasts that tear through the shields of the most powerful Force Users in TOR and tanking Lightning that kills hundreds as an after thought, while Vader is nearly unrivaled in the mythos with his TK. Team 2 isn't even close, even when working together.

Maul had never demonstrated doing so before he did it with Talzin. I don't see why it would be any different here.

From what I read of his respect thread Arcann broke through the force shields of the HoT who's best feats were collapsing sections of rubble in 4 different places. It's a fine feat but nothing that suggests top tier power. His force shields are powerful then. That doesn't mean his force attacks are. I disagree.

Or you, know, the Star Cabal killed him, because again, it's the Star Cabal. It's pretty illogical to think killing Tol Braga would be the one option the HoT went Dark Side on before facing Vitiate. It's canonical that Tol Braga dies regardless, not that he had to be killed by the HoT.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Given the TK attack against the Hero was done as a casual push while the Dark Temple collapsing was this big deal and took a lot longer, nah.

Uh, casual? He does a decent wind-up. If he could overwhelm the Hero with TK he'd do so. Plus he was in better shape for that push, he wasn't bisected and defeated. Again, if he could pwn the Hero with TK, he'd snap her neck instead of collapse the temple.

it took longer cuz it takes longer to collapse a temple than push someone duh

If you truly disagree that Team 2 could form a collective force barrier though I will allow for it ( even if I disagree ) and counter your argument in another way.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Maul had never done it before he did so with Talzin. I don't see why it would be any different here.

From what I read of his respect thread Arcann broke through the force shields of the HoT who has collapsed sections of rubble in 4 different places. It's a fine feat but nothing that suggests top tier power. His force shields are powerful then. That doesn't mean his force attacks are. I disagree.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except he didn't. If I recall correctly, he let her tap off his power using their bond, which already changes the entire dynamic that working together would have.

No, soloing an army of the Imperial Guard and then facing Vitiate on one of the most powerful Dark Side nexus in the galaxy, and being confirmed exhausted does. The HoT's power is shown in the opponents he defeats, same with the other TOR protagonists. Some of which, such as Sel-Makor, are not lacking in power showings and accolades.

The bond could have allowed him to more easily lend her power but I don't think that's stated anywhere in the comic. As I already said if you insist that Team 2 would be incapable of such a feat I will counter it in another way.

Fine then what's HoT's best force feat iyo.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Actually, the darkside choice with Tol Braga is canon. In the Imperial Agent storyline he's mentioned as being killed, which is something only executing him or sending him off to kill as many Sith as he can will lead to. AKA the darkside options.

Nah, there are hundreds upon hundreds of possible story paths that fit with that. For example, the Jedi saying he had died to protect him, or to avoid repercussions about allowing a mass murderer back into the order, etc.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Or you, know, the Star Cabal killed him, because again, it's the Star Cabal. It's pretty illogical to think killing Tol Braga would be the one option the HoT went Dark Side on before facing Vitiate. It's canonical that Tol Braga dies regardless, not that he had to be killed by the HoT.

Originally posted by Selenial
Nah, there are hundreds upon hundreds of possible story paths that fit with that. For example, the Jedi saying he had died to protect him, or to avoid repercussions about allowing a mass murderer back into the order, etc.

Like I said, blatant speculation with no evidence to support them. While there's actual choices in game that lead to the conclusion that requires no bending to fit.

The Hero is also directly stated to possess darkness by Scourge. Them being a 100% lightside all the time goody good Jedi is actually definitively non-canonical.

Also LOL at the Jedi fooling the frigging Star Cabal with a false story.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, I'm sure Vitiate put way more power into collapsing the temple then he did in actual combat with his most hated enemy. The fact that he tries to kill the Hero by indirectly collapsing the temple as opposed to directly attacking her with TK proves she can tank and spank him.

Originally posted by Nephthys Uh, casual? He does a decent wind-up. If he could overwhelm the Hero with TK he'd do so. Plus he was in better shape for that push, he wasn't bisected and defeated. Again, if he could pwn the Hero with TK, he'd snap her neck instead of collapse the temple.

it took longer cuz it takes longer to collapse a temple than push someone duh

HoT legit kicked his ass more like. 👆

Not in a force fight though, which is what I was referring to.

Originally posted by Syndicate
The bond could have allowed him to more easily lend her power but I don't think that's stated anywhere in the comic. As I already said if you insist that Team 2 would be incapable of such a feat I will counter it in another way.

Fine then what's HoT's best force feat iyo.