Vader and Arkann run a gauntlet

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Which he recovered from enough to fight Anakin with just as much energy in every strike.

How long is it supposed to take to use TK?

No. Not even close. For either. In either category.

And they're both outclassed in every way here.

The last one is an example of neutral starting distance.

It's not like they're standing face to face.

You may have a different opinion but I believe that Dooku expending this energy was part of the reason he lost the fight to Anakin.

From numerous source it usually takes a moment to draw in the power you need. Considering Maul has killed a group of people faster then an eye blink and Vos is even faster then that, not fast enough.

*Shrug* Your opinion vs mine.

True enough but together or even paired with either of the others on Team 2 they should be enough to handle either of team 1.

I didn't say it's impossible just that there's little time to draw on the force. As you saw the only time one of those force attacks led to incapacitation was when he took Anakin out of the fight momentarily. In the other 2 scans the team recovered. So is there a small chance that Vader or Arkaan could do what Dooku did in RotS to a team like Obi Wan and Ventress? Yes. Is it likely? I don't think so. Besides I admitted earlier that the teams best chance is Maul and Obi Wan and Vos and Ventress pairing off. Something which is likely because of the reasons I stated in said post.

Originally posted by Syndicate
You may have a different opinion but I believe that Dooku expending this energy was part of the reason he lost the fight to Anakin.

From numerous source it usually takes a moment to draw in the power you need. Considering Maul has killed a group of people faster then an eye blink and Vos is even faster then that, not fast enough.

*Shrug* Your opinion vs mine.

True enough but together or even paired with either of the others on Team 2 they should be enough to handle either of team 1.

I didn't say it's impossible just that there's little time to draw on the force. As you saw the only time one of those force attacks led to incapacitation was when he took Anakin out of the fight momentarily.

In the other 2 scans the team recovered.

So is there a small chance that Vader or Arkaan could do what Dooku did in RotS to a team like Obi Wan and Ventress? Yes. Is it likely? I don't think so.

Besides I admitted earlier that the teams best chance is Maul and Obi Wan and Vos and Ventress pairing off. Something which is likely because of the reasons I stated in said post.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Maybe he lost to Anakin because Anakin was far more powerful and skilled. Considering that Dooku has been shown being outmatched by Anakin in skill several times by that point, I'm guessing it's more of a mismatch in power, since he was "far more powerful" by that point than "TKing Obi-Wan takes a lot of effort."

There are far more sources that show "moment to draw in the power you need" is instantaneous. It doesn't take minutes to TK someone.

What exactly is your opinion based upon? Mine is of a Maul's writer that says he's weaker than Dooku and numerous feats that put Vader well above Maul, as well as accolades that claim he is a greater swordsmen than the guy that stomped Maul and his brother. But considering all arguments are opinion based, I'm not exactly sure what the point is.

Based on? The combined skill of a pair doesn't put them above their betters.

Anakin's far above anyone in this gauntlet, so using his recovery time to show how it's possible to recover, from a kick of all things, isn't really proof of being able to recover from being ragdolled.

Probably because Dooku was trying to escape, not kill them.

So, just to make sure I'm not getting your argument wrong, you think Vader and Arcann, as the name is spelled, who have both shown power far beyond anything Dooku is capable of, aren't capable of defeating lesser opponents?

None of which matters because again, half the team will be incapacitated and defeated early on. 👆

Nope. I think he lost because he was tired out by having to fend off the combined attack of a Djem So and Soresu master of the caliber of Anakin and Kenobi and then had to face Anakin who's rage was being encouraged by Sidious. To top it all off Anakin's strength which is possibly the greatest in SW and his strength based form perfectly counters Dooku's own.

Not minutes but usually for large bursts of power like ragdolling an opponent a moment is needed to gather your power such as with Dooku and RotS and Galen and Starkiller in the TFU novels. Can you give me an example of instantaneous force use?

Maul's own force and skill feats. Also I didn't say Maul was as powerful as Vader or Dooku, simply that he was comparable. Obi Wan beat Savage. He didn't pressure Maul in any way during that fight.

It does imo. Two comparable opponents should be enough to pressure a superior opponent into doing everything they can to fend them off.

I wasn't using it as a proof of recovery. I was simply saying that the only time an incapacitation took place ( Kenobi's incapacitation ) was when one of the combatants ( Anakin ) was taken out of the fight momentarily.

But if he was certain he could kill them why would he need to try to escape?

They haven't shown power far beyond Dooku. I think they could possibly do so but for a majority? No.

They wouldn't be incapacitated. How would Vader and Arkann even know who weak links were before they were already being engaged with?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
His aim is terrible, took him 3+ minutes to hit a dog-sized spider with a machine gun.

Yeah, but that was a comedy scene. And he has obliterated a reinforced blastdoor and iirc he followed up on that wacky hijinks scene by blowing the shit out of a swarm of monsters.

Mostly though, I recall his codex says he's comparable to the previous HK series', who are all very potent.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, but that was a comedy scene. And he has obliterated a reinforced blastdoor and iirc he followed up on that wacky hijinks scene by blowing the shit out of a swarm of monsters.

Mostly though, I recall his codex says he's comparable to the previous HK series', who are all very potent.

I'd imaging him being a new model he'd be better/more advanced.