Luke vs Vader

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Luke vs Vader

Canon/Legends feats apply

Force Only!

DE Luke vs ROTJ Vader

Who wins?

DE Luke I would think. He should be logically more powerful than Vader at this point and if we compare AT-AT feats, Luke's is superior:

He also shields himself from its turbolasers with ease whereas Vader gets blown up:

Though granted Vader was pre-ESB/ROTJ.

Vader likely remains in possession of superior knowledge and experience, but seeing as his offensive abilities are largely limited to TK, I don't see it giving him much of an edge.

DE Luke

Vader. Luke is still weaker than Ben. excellent

And doesn't that scan you just posted say the walker was already crippled?

It's guns were crippled (he redirected a shot into it's head in the prievous panel) but I don't see how that would make it easier to fell, aside from the fact it couldn't shoot him.

He crushed its damaged head. Vader lifted the AT-AT in the air. Not sure how one exactly trumps the other. Besides reasons, obviously.

^ It certainly doesn't trump what Vader did, but given Luke's battle with Vader in ROTJ, then give him feats like the above a few years on, I'm pretty sure he could take an all out Vader at this point.

He didn't crush its head, he pulled the whole thing to the ground causing it to be destroyed.

Difference being Luke dispatched an AT-AT with ease, whereas Vader was unable to destroy it before it fired on him, firepower he was unable to defend against.

You mean the fire power you just said this AT-AT didn't have? Sounds really hypocritical.

No I mean the firepower it did have prior to Luke shrugging it off and crippling it. 👆

I could go into why that argument makes zero sense, but I've had enough of your double standards for one day, Beni. uhuh

No double standards here. My point is that Luke can dispatch AT-ATs with speed and ease, Vader in a time-pressured situation (being imminent turbolaser fire) did not, ergo he cannot.

The fact he can't shield himself against AT-AT fire full stop is a separate point, but proves the same thing. DE Luke > Vader.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
No double standards here. My point is that Luke can dispatch AT-ATs with speed and ease, Vader in a time-pressured situation (being imminent turbolaser fire) did not, ergo he cannot.

Difference is though Luke wasn't trying to crush it as it began shooting at him.

Luke deflected the Fire Power back at it's source First and Then finished it off with a Force attack. I'd say that's the easier and more efficient way of defeating an AT-AT tbh.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
No double standards here. My point is that Luke can dispatch AT-ATs with speed and ease, Vader in a time-pressured situation (being imminent turbolaser fire) did not, ergo he cannot.

The fact he can't shield himself against AT-AT fire full stop is a separate point, but proves the same thing. DE Luke > Vader.


DP already addressed the first part of the this. The second point is just idiotic given Vader has tanked much worse with no ill effects in the slightest. It's plain stupid to using this feat to argue DE Luke being greater than Vader.

DE Luke would defeat any version of his father save Mortis. It's the tipping point where Luke surpasses his father.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Difference is though Luke wasn't trying to crush it as it began shooting at him.

Luke deflected the Fire Power back at it's source First and Then finished it off with a Force attack. I'd say that's the easier and more efficient way of defeating an AT-AT tbh.

1. He didn't crush it, he pulled it down, neutralising its guns wouldn't have made it any more vulnerable 2. Vader had ample time to down it as Luke did before it started shooting, which would have killed Leia, Han etc. and prevented it from firing at all.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
given Vader has tanked much worse with no ill effects in the slightest. It's plain stupid to using this feat to argue DE Luke being greater than Vader.
What projectiles has Vader tanked that surpass a AT-AT barrage?

DE Luke and Darth Vader are on the same level in regards to TK for all intents and purposes. For specific force skills like force shields tanking a turbo laser is greater than anything I know of Vader doing.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
What projectiles has Vader tanked that surpass a AT-AT barrage?

How does something being a projectile doesn't inherently make it stronger than say dozen or so explosions we've seen Vader tank?

Vader's tanked AT-AT fire before and deflected cannonfire from turrets in Lords of the Sith.

The freighters opened fire, writing thick lines of plasma onto the air. The shots churned the ground, destroyed trees, heated the air of the clearing; one slammed into the chest of a Royal Guard and vaporized all of him save for his helmet.

Lost in the Force, Vader anticipated the shots that would have hit him, saw the appropriate angles of impact and deflection, and used the rapid spinning of his lightsaber to turn first one, then a second, and then a third shot not into the tree line but back at the ships, the heat and energy of the blaster shots driving him backward, warming the hilt of his weapon, a heat he could feel even through his glove

-Lords of the Sith

He's also used barrier to withstand the explosion of one of the largest munitions factories in the galaxy in the Star Wars comic

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111155790/4644183-star+wars+%282015-%29+003-015.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111155790/4644184-star+wars+%282015-%29+003-016.jpg

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
How does something being a projectile doesn't inherently make it stronger than say dozen or so explosions we've seen Vader tank?
Its the difference between being hit with a sledgehammer and stabbed with sword, wider surface area to absorb the impact.

@Carth can't see the image for the AT-AT, where is that from, LotS?