Originally posted by carthage
Vader's tanked AT-AT fire before and deflected cannonfire from turrets in Lords of the Sith.-Lords of the Sith
He's also used barrier to withstand the explosion of one of the largest munitions factories in the galaxy in the Star Wars comic
Fair enough. Did DE Luke ever employ lightning?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Its the difference between being hit with a sledgehammer and stabbed with sword, wider surface area to absorb the impact.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Not really. If blaster bolts were tapered, you'd have a point, but they aren't, so you don't. There's no sharp point that focuses all the energy of blaster bolt, no matter how large it is.
I think he meant the ATAT shots hit Luke directly and his shield absorbed/dissipated all of the energy while Vader surviving these explosions simply puts a shield around himself strong enough to block the explosion in the area he occupies but not the area around it.
It's the difference between somebody throwing a bucket of water at you and you evaporating any water that touches you and somebody throwing a bucket of water at you and you you evaporating all of it. Although to be fair we'd have to calculate the energy of an ATAT shot and the energy of an explosion in the area Vader occupies to accurately compare it. I'm willing to say they're around even though.
Originally posted by Syndicate
I think he meant the ATAT shots hit Luke directly and his shield absorbed/dissipated all of the energy while Vader surviving these explosions simply puts a shield around himself strong enough to block the explosion in the area he occupies but not the area around it.It's the difference between somebody throwing a bucket of water at you and you evaporating any water that touches you and somebody throwing a bucket of water at you and you you evaporating all of it. Although to be fair we'd have to calculate the energy of an ATAT shot and the energy of an explosion in the area Vader occupies to accurately compare it. I'm willing to say they're around even though.
Luke wins this. I don't understand what's so dufficult to understand that Luke just has better feats and is stronger. While Vader has survived intense explosions, which granted is better than Luke shielding himself from turbo laser fire, Luke's showings with being able to manipulate the Force to a more advanced digree was shown in his fight with Sidious in DE.
Originally posted by carthage
Vader's tanked AT-AT fire before and deflected cannonfire from turrets in Lords of the Sith.-Lords of the Sith
He's also used barrier to withstand the explosion of one of the largest munitions factories in the galaxy in the Star Wars comic
I don't know if you realize what Luke did against that walker, but first he used Force Barrier to defend himself from the turbolaser fire, followed by using tutaminis to deflect the turbolaser fire back at the AT-AT, destroying the afore mentioned turbolaser cannons. He followed this up by destroying it in the panel shown in Beni's first post.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
See the above. Pretending that a blaster bolt from an AT-AT is comparable to explosions that blow up large sections of the Death Star is kekworthy.
To be fair ATAT shots are pretty powerful and Vader isn't blocking the full energy of said explosion. But whatever you want to think mate. Until you or anyone else in this thread can come up with actual calcs it's just conjecture.
Wasn't Vader busy crushing the AT-AT when Han fired the cannons? So it's not like Vader would have been able to raise up a barrier, whereas with Luke he did that the first time, plus as of Vader down we do see him blocking a tank cannon shot with his lightsaber and redirect it.
Although i'll say the tank and AT-AT isn't comparable firepower wise, but still.
Originally posted by Syndicate
To be fair ATAT shots are pretty powerful
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/93477/3037750-0991103956-17193.jpg
is nowhere near comparable to:
Of course, I could get some top notch scientist on calculating Vader's surface area, the strength of the explosion, just how long Vader had to absorb energy, the strength of Starkillers lightning which disintegrates stormtroopers, the armor plating of an AT-AT, and so on. Or you could judge for yourself.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceUh-huh, it's far more focused that an exposion.
It's not tapered at all.
And unless it has the same energy as said explosions=you really still don't have a point.Not really, if Vader was using tutanimis i.e. absorbing the energy, then yes, but he's not, he's erecting a barrier. Naturally that barrier will be more easily shattered if a small area is forced to absorb the entirety of the attack.
That said? A bolt from a blaster could rip holes through flesh, burn through stone and damage durasteel, I'd imagine therefore the turbolaser cannons on an AT-AT could vaporise most materials. While I find it unlikely that, unless Vader was at the heart of the explosion, he'd be subject to thermal detonator+ levels of heat. And that's without considering their kinetic energy, and that its still spread over a larger area.
Originally posted by SyndicateTrue, it's also detracting from the main point, that Luke can down AT-ATs with ease.
Until you or anyone else in this thread can come up with actual calcs it's just conjecture.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceStarkiller's lightning only disintergrates stormtroopers in-game and Vader has never used a Force barrier to defend against it, as I recall.
the strength of Starkillers lightning which disintegrates stormtrooper
In fact I don't believe Vader has ever successively defended against Starkiller's lighting full stop. mmm
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
We see the extent of the damage that the blaster bolt did, and the splash it created.http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/93477/3037750-0991103956-17193.jpg
is nowhere near comparable to:
Of course, I could get some top notch scientist on calculating Vader's surface area, the strength of the explosion, just how long Vader had to absorb energy, the strength of Starkillers lightning which disintegrates stormtroopers, the armor plating of an AT-AT, and so on. Or you could judge for yourself.
Get your scientists on it please.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
He also shields himself from its turbolasers with ease whereas Vader gets blown up:Though granted Vader was pre-ESB/ROTJ.
While I do think Luke wins this, I personally believe that the narration praising Lukes lightsaber skills in that panel, in bold in fact, points to the interpretation that he deflected them with his saber and the outline is an artistic flourish thats very common in DE.
Originally posted by Nephthys
While I do think Luke wins this, I personally believe that the narration praising Lukes lightsaber skills in that panel, in bold in fact, points to the interpretation that he deflected them with his saber and the outline is an artistic flourish thats very common in DE.
That's a good point considering he redirects the energy from his blade in the next panel.
Originally posted by Nephthysmmm Could be, hadn't considered that.
While I do think Luke wins this, I personally believe that the narration praising Lukes lightsaber skills in that panel, in bold in fact, points to the interpretation that he deflected them with his saber and the outline is an artistic flourish thats very common in DE.
Originally posted by NephthysHonestly, its what I first assumed as well but given how everyone was so sure it was a force defense, I thought maybe these guys know something I don't. 🤣
While I do think Luke wins this, I personally believe that the narration praising Lukes lightsaber skills in that panel, in bold in fact, points to the interpretation that he deflected them with his saber and the outline is an artistic flourish thats very common in DE.
