Planned Parenthood hostage situation

Originally posted by Surtur
Cruz is just trying to keep his name in the headlines. He knows he has no chance at ever becoming President.

With that said I do agree with one thing: if people are blaming those who are "pro life" for this then that's pretty strange. As if the guy represents everyone who is pro life and I say this as someone who is pro choice.

Blame the piece of subhuman trash who pulled the trigger, not anyone else. No, don't even blame the people who made those videos that supposedly talk about selling baby parts. Whoever made the video did not force this man(yes man, I don't care what gender he claims to be) to react to it in the manner he did.

If this guy did it truly because he was against abortion then that still doesn't actually say anything in regards to if abortion is good or bad.

LMAO@ anyone who thinks Cruz has no chance of becoming President.

http://www.americanpatriotdaily.com/latest/hillary-clinton-will-be-furious-with-these-polls-see-which-republicans-lead-her/

Originally posted by Surtur
At the end of the day the man was responsible for his own choices, he was responsible for how he chose to react to the video. Nobody put the gun in his hand, he chose this.

I don't care who fired who up. Be a grown ass adult about it and don't let other pieces of shit rile you up to the point of murder.

Now if Carly lied or whatever okay, ban her from running for President then. In fact ban every candidate who has ever told a lie in the past few years.

I agree with you in the broad picture, people are ultimately responsible for their own actions. But I also feel that people who are influential and know that their words carry more weight than say 'Joe Average' should also be more responsible with what they say, as what they say can have very negative consequences.

On that note, iirc, Hitler was extremely careful about not having his name connected with anything related to the holocaust, concentration camps and the final solution. He allegedly said things and other people acted, though we know the orders came from the top. Would you in that same regard hold him faultless?

"Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) downplayed the role anti-abortion rhetoric may have played in the fatal shooting of three people at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado and suggested the suspect was a “transgendered leftist activist" at a campaign stop in Iowa on Sunday.

LoL, Cruz is such a despicable coward.

If you feel she does share some of the blame, should she face any consequences for this?

I'd be next to impossible to pin something on Fiorina, so no, why waste the time/resources. But I hope she at least feels bad for outright lying about the PP videos and learns a lesson that her lies can possibly have dire consequences.

Well did she knowingly lie? Or just repeat things she thought were facts without doing enough research?

Originally posted by Robtard
I'd be next to impossible to pin something on Fiorina, so no, why waste the time/resources. But I hope she at least feels bad for outright lying about the PP videos and learns a lesson that her lies can possibly have dire consequences.

GOP candidates: "Baby Parts"
Murderer: "Baby Parts"
Media: "We may never know what motivated this killer..."

Murdering babies is *never* the problem. Am I joking? Or am I....DEAD serious?

Originally posted by Surtur
Well did she knowingly lie? Or just repeat things she thought were facts without doing enough research?

She outright described a "scene" in the video that does not exist, so yes, she knowingly lied. Even Fox news called her out on the scene not existing, iirc.

Originally posted by Digi
GOP candidates: "Baby Parts"
Murderer: "Baby Parts"
Media: "We may never know what motivated this killer..."

😂

Great post

Interesting. Well it's doubtful she'll ever become President so there is that.

Originally posted by Digi
GOP candidates: "Baby Parts"
Murderer: "Baby Parts"
Media: "We may never know what motivated this killer..."

This was like the "white supremacists" who supposedly attacked the BLM idiots. The media was all over it until they found out they were Mexican and the BLM idiots attacked them first for no reason and deserved to be shot.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Calling someone racist is not the same as alleging that people murder and cut up babies to sell them for profit, which is just a bold faced lie, designed to evoke an emotional, angry response.

Of course some of the things that some people associated with BLM say is also problematic and should be called out. But afaik theres no high profile politicians, no presidential candidates, no media outlets, that claim anything comparable to the rhetoric of "pro-life" advocates.

And yet perception of police "racism" has incited violence that cost lives. Rioting, attacks on police officers, etc. I daresay it has cost far more lives than the perception of "baby murdering" PP ever will.

The "level" of rhetoric is subjective to the reciepient of the message. What may be trivial to you may well be rage inducing to me. Some person somewhere can say anything that may well cause someone out there to go downright berzerker mode.

Ultimately, I am responsible for my own reaction. And extreme actions such as this tend to have a deeper cause within the individual acting out (such as mental illness).

Pro-life's purpose is to save infants' lives by preventing abortion (now we can argue about the validity of this message, but this is not the thread to do so) BLM's purpose is to point out institutional racism and to improve law enforcement's treatment of minorities. They are not ISIS or Boko Haram that specifically train its members to kill and terrorize. Nor are they like the anti-vaxxers that propagate a specific practice based on false claims that risks lives. They are movements that have noble purpose, but even noble purpose can spawn dangerous rhetoric, it is unavoidable.

Hold on one second back up, those weren't white supremacists?

Originally posted by Surtur
Hold on one second back up, those weren't white supremacists?

Then they legally shot those losers.

Originally posted by Peace Keeper
No, they weren't. They were victims who lived across the street and were attacked and chased by the racist BLM terrorists.

Then they legally shot those losers.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
And yet perception of police "racism" has incited violence that cost lives. Rioting, attacks on police officers, etc. I daresay it has cost far more lives than the perception of "baby murdering" PP ever will.

The "level" of rhetoric is subjective to the reciepient of the message. What may be trivial to you may well be rage inducing to me. Some person somewhere can say anything that may well cause someone out there to go downright berzerker mode.

Ultimately, I am responsible for my own reaction. And extreme actions such as this tend to have a deeper cause within the individual acting out (such as mental illness).

Pro-life's purpose is to save infants' lives by preventing abortion (now we can argue about the validity of this message, but this is not the thread to do so) BLM's purpose is to point out institutional racism and to improve law enforcement's treatment of minorities. They are not ISIS or Boko Haram that specifically train its members to kill and terrorize. Nor are they like the anti-vaxxers that propagate a specific practice based on false claims that risks lives. They are movements that have noble purpose, but even noble purpose can spawn dangerous rhetoric, it is unavoidable.

Just that the pro-life rhetoric is designed to incite violence and does so repeatedly. Im sorry, but public figures shouldn't be able to hide behind the "oh, no, I didn't realize that if I demonize these people and compare them to Hitler and claim they perpetrate genocide someone might feel justified in targetting them, oops."

Originally posted by Nibedicus
And yet perception of police "racism" has incited violence that cost lives. Rioting, attacks on police officers, etc. I daresay it has cost far more lives than the perception of "baby murdering" PP ever will.

The "level" of rhetoric is subjective to the reciepient of the message. What may be trivial to you may well be rage inducing to me. Some person somewhere can say anything that may well cause someone out there to go downright berzerker mode.

Ultimately, I am responsible for my own reaction. And extreme actions such as this tend to have a deeper cause within the individual acting out (such as mental illness).

Pro-life's purpose is to save infants' lives by preventing abortion (now we can argue about the validity of this message, but this is not the thread to do so) BLM's purpose is to point out institutional racism and to improve law enforcement's treatment of minorities. They are not ISIS or Boko Haram that specifically train its members to kill and terrorize. Nor are they like the anti-vaxxers that propagate a specific practice based on false claims that risks lives. They are movements that have noble purpose, but even noble purpose can spawn dangerous rhetoric, it is unavoidable.

Originally posted by Surtur
Hold on one second back up, those weren't white supremacists?

Don't listen to socks, he's just trying to get a reaction and derail the thread.

Three Caucasian men have been arrested. The one Hispanic man that was arrested, was later released.

Pick your flavor.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-arrested-shooting-black-lives-matter-protest-article-1.2445432

http://www.startribune.com/police-searching-for-suspects-who-fired-into-crowd-at-blm-protest-outside-4th-precinct/353154811/

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/revealed-accused-minneapolis-shooters-fascinated-with-guns-militia-groups-and-the-confederacy/