logan/elektra vs iron fist

Originally posted by cdtm
Or Gorgon's stare.

And yet, Fantomex auto wins via misdirection, in ways he's never done in comic. 💃

Like I said before, Rand's kind of OP for a street. Yet, he's not on a true cl100 level either.. He's kind of in a no man's land, where he can't use his powers at all to fight Shang Chi/Daredevil/Elektra.

Yet, there's precious little examples of him fighting the Gorgon's and top end Spidey villains, who he SHOULD be mixing it up with, for the same reason Spidey has his own OP rogues. (And makes Spidey struggling with streets look pretty ridiculous..)

If they want Danny sticking to his street level roots, what they really need to do is depower him.. Bring back the "One Iron Fist" a day rule, or some restriction forcing him to rely on MA skills most of the time.

Fantomex ALWAYS uses his misdirection in comics, though. Or at least, a high percentage of his showings involve misdirection. Not to mention, he's a killer.

Gorgon is a villain, who doesn't hesitate to kill.

So not quite applicable.

Posters don't give Gorgon an auto win on the stare, was my point. Even if not explicately stated.

Probably because he's so overpowered, he doesn't need it.

Originally posted by Mindset
They should just make Danny the God of kung fu and give him universal level feats.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Sam's world is filled with the need to add the D, it would seem.

Originally posted by SamZED
Stop projecting your filthy fantasies on me, everyone knows you two only read Daredevil for his initials.

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hulk has shattered the asteroid twice the size of the Earth and still couldn't KO Wolverine.

Ranged chi attacks are hardly something IF does all the time. Same with Wolverine and his ninja vanish ability or Elektra's telepathy.

So out of curiosity Wolverine has never been rendered unconscious by any force that wasn't beyond Earth shattering?

Also IF doesn't have to do the ranged attacks all the time. If they are something that would legitimately help him survive why wouldn't he? He doesn't have to outright murder them to keep them from face stabbing him.

Originally posted by Surtur
So out of curiosity Wolverine has never been rendered unconscious by any force that wasn't beyond Earth shattering?

Also IF doesn't have to do the ranged attacks all the time. If they are something that would legitimately help him survive why wouldn't he? He doesn't have to outright murder them to keep them from face stabbing him.

Of course he has. That's the point; Rand has been in danger from less threats than combined prowess of both classic Wolverine and Elektra.

Wolverine doing a ninja vanish and stabbing Rand would help team a lot, too. Potentially would end the fight. It's just not likely to happen, because those characters just don't fight that way most of the time... but hey, there's a full capacity rule, so I guess we can have them doing that. Problem is, duo has the advantage when it comes to such obscure, cheap tactics - vanish&tp combo > ranged attacks.

But it's not the same. Wolverine isn't consistently that hard to knock out. While the fact IF doesn't perform ranged attacks all the time doesn't make him incapable of them.

If Wolverine has done this vanish thing more then once or twice then I don't see why he couldn't use it. But then it wouldn't be guaranteed to work, IF is a bullet timer with ranged attacks. Just like if Elektra has shown some kind of offensive telepathy on more then a single occasion she should be able to use it. Characters shouldn't be penalized here because writers ignore established abilities.

Originally posted by Surtur
But it's not the same. Wolverine isn't consistently that hard to knock out. While the fact IF doesn't perform ranged attacks all the time doesn't make him incapable of them.

If Wolverine has done this vanish thing more then once or twice then I don't see why he couldn't use it. But then it wouldn't be guaranteed to work, IF is a bullet timer with ranged attacks. Just like if Elektra has shown some kind of offensive telepathy on more then a single occasion she should be able to use it. Characters shouldn't be penalized here because writers ignore established abilities.

He is, actually. Taking hard hits and coming back for more is his thing. Vs. Thor, vs. Ragnarok, vs. Maestro, vs. the Hulk, vs. Cyclops, vs. Bastion... the list goes on.

That's what ranged attacks for IF are, he hasn't done them enough times either.

He's done them on multiple occasions so why would we ignore it? You act as if it happened on a single occasion.

Going the route of trying to say he can't KO Wolverine makes a lot more sense then pretending he doesn't have these powers.

They're irrelevant.

What is their exact range? Power? Can he spam them?

What's his accuracy with those? As it is now, both Logan and Elektra will dodge them with no trouble, seeing how they dodged similar beams from characters with actual blasting&aiming feats.

What about his hit that took out the hellicarrier? If Elektra were to get hit by it how would she fare?

He also has the chi charged projectiles. Taking a few pepples or pieces of metal.was a pretty consistant plot point in the Immortal Weapon series.

Which the Canadian social justice warrior writer shirked in favor of throwing ki balls, like Ryu from.Street Fighter.

So he can charge ordinary items with chi and fire blasts of pure chi.

Logan may dodge some but saying he'll dodge everything IF throws like he has the spider sense is taking all his highs and ignoring the MANY times he's been hit and hurt badly by much slower and much less skilled than Danny. Remember averages.

Originally posted by Surtur
What about his hit that took out the hellicarrier? If Elektra were to get hit by it how would she fare?

Better than Danny would fare against a sai stab in the brain, that's for sure 😛

and there ARE 2 of them..... it would only take a moment for elektra to distract via tp and they would be on him.

Originally posted by leonidas
and there ARE 2 of them..... it would only take a moment for elektra to distract via tp and they would be on him.

Takes less then a moment for Rand to nuke the area. Since we're using unlikely scenarios and all. 😛

Originally posted by Surtur
What about his hit that took out the hellicarrier? If Elektra were to get hit by it how would she fare?

Originally posted by cdtm
Takes less then a moment for Rand to nuke the area. Since we're using unlikely scenarios and all. 😛

tp isn't unlikely though, and nuking the area from 500m? 0.0% chance he'd do that.