Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Er... that electrical output did not burn off vyndy's arm and destroyed the weapon. It's more like Jorel and Clark's act of stopping the multitude caused the feed feedback which destroyed the spear. In fact he and a scientist devised a plan using some bs pseudo science that would create a "scalar field"(whatever that means) that will extend into the 5th dimension. It's ridiculous to think 10 gigawatts of electricity can severely hurt a 5D imp. Then again comics and Vyndy is weak sauce.Also Pretty sure an average lightning bolt is in the terawatts. That like thousands of gigawatts.
Not to mention Superman took the attack from the Multitude just before that.
Originally posted by carver9
You're blind.
Guys, guys, there is plenty of Saint for all!
Originally posted by One-Punch
😂 👆I know you're not part of Kal-Qaeda, despite Rao's explicit eagerness to blow you for defending Superman.
Agreed. But you realize Kal-Qaeda is going to behead you for saying Thor and Superman have comparable strength and durability lol.
I'll take you ALL on!!!!!
Also I think you're missing important categories like versatility and energy attacks.
Of course, the gap isn't as large between Thor/Supes as Flash and humans....but my point is, when one side is faster, versatility kinda goes out the window. A bullet is more effective than a Swiss Army knife in a fight.
Here's where you lost me. I don't think we should brush every showing of Superman's speed blitzes being ineffective as PIS. To me that's just an easy cope out. If it's shown to be consistently ineffective against herald level characters in comics, than we should just accept it until other showings contradict it.
Superman's punches certainly do seem weaker when he speed blitzes as opposed to his slower much more powerful haymakers.
But it makes sense, for example:
[b](A) Try punching a punching bag with all your power and make sure you get your technique and position right (e.g., a right cross or hook)
(B) Now trying punching the bag two dozen times as fast as you possibly can (e.g., multiple jabs)
(C) Now try punching the bag two dozen times as fast as you can while sprinting around the bag as fast as you can (e.g., multiple jabs while running)
Which punch will have the most power behind it? Probably A. Punch B and C will probably be much weaker.[/b]
And what if you just ran full tilt at the bag, with your arms outstretched? IOW, like how Superman blitzes most of the time (I'm not turning him into Batman with the Speedforce, lol).
Starting distance, 500m, Superman flies straight at Thor and punches him. I don't think Thor can react in time to that.
energy to expend at any given time. He can expend it doing various things like move super fast or punch super hard. If he were to focus all his energy on a punch, it would shatter a continent. If he were to focus all his energy on speed he could move at light speed. But it would be wrong of us to assume he could throw full power punches while simultaneously going his top speed. Given his finite amount of energy, he'd have to divide it between the two activities.
Makes sense when you think about it. Superman is a solar battery with [b]finite
In the case of speed blitzing while punching, he could be expending 50/50, or 75/25 or 90/10, hence why his speed blitzing punches don't seem as strong.
That's my two-cents. [/B]
True, but we've seen what he can do when expending his energy. He's able to bench the Earth for five days, without sunlight or rest. So his reserves are pretty high.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
It actually would be. But that's not the point, tho.Speed is not the only determinant of power. It also requires leverage (proper footwork/positioning). It requires that multiple parts (not just fists) working together to generate as much force as possible. Contrary to what some may think. The power behind a punch starts at the foot not the shoulder/arm. Quick punches/jabs tend to start at the arm/shoulder. That is why they are so fast and constant, they do not require the planting of the foot in order to maximize force. Power punches require perfect timing to execute in order to connect. Quick jabs (specifically, as there are also power jabs, there are actually several kinds)? Not so much. There is also a stamina issue as power punches tend to use up a LOT of energy. That is why power punches tend to come in single pinpoint shots or short bursts (unless you're Manny Pacquiao, that is) and jabs can be constant, quick and go into combos very easily. Edit. Essentially, if you want me to break down what I'm trying to say: Power-punching takes up more resources and have far more moving parts and requires more thought on the side of the boxer. Thus it is not as constant as quick jabs are.
Now I do not know how this converts to comic science. I'm sure no expert of that. 😛
Anyway, final post on the matter. It's almost 7am. Peace all! 🙂
Hush, you!
But agreed on the mechanics of it all - but just want to point out it kinda falls apart when you DON'T need a firm footing (i.e. when you're floating in midair). But yes, agreed on this post.
Originally posted by Nibedicusbut a cross or hook are much faster than a jab if measured by a radar gun.
Just reading thru stuff. Needing a break from the GDF. 😛Anyway, quick jabs tend to be much weaker than full on power punches (cross/uppercut/hook).
A boxer can sustain dozens of jabs and still be on his feet but can get KOd by a single direct hit from a cross.
Just saying. Anyway, carry on.
Anyway, people are thinking of Superman bullrushing like a dumb bullet (can't adapt to the opponent while flying forward) or throwing thousands of light jabs for his speed advantage. That's not the case.
Superman doesn't have to bullrush blindly or throw many light jabs. Think of Quicksilver in DAYS OF FUTURE PAST. Everyone in the kitchen (even bullets) were frozen in time. Superman could simply close the 500m distance on Thor and stop 5ft in front and commence to looking at Thor moving in slow motion. Superman doesn't have to throw a bunch of light jabs, he can throw a single very fast cross and seriously phuck Thor up. He can close the distance again and do it again and again. As long as he sees Thor moving in slow motion then Thor isn't really a threat. Superman can either always beat Thor to the punch or easily avoid his attacks (due to him seeing Thor in slow motion). Thor is only a threat if both are similar speeds (I then say Thor wins). But that's not the case.
Originally posted by SquallX
Mongul looks fine because he's a power house.It's probably because most of the characters he blitz, are once again in his class.
Where do you come from with getting weaker when he blitzes tidbit from?
And Thor is a powerhouse! This should all be coming together for you now.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Angela? One could say she's around Wolverine level in speed, I haven't seen her full fight with Gamora though, so I'm not sure.
And per the Abby rules, Thor was "weakened" prior to that fight. He won't tell you that, though, only when Superman was "weakened", which is pretty much every low showing.
Originally posted by One-PunchGood argument. Now this is what this hobby is all about. Why don't more people actually debate now a days.
Full potential for Thor too, which means planetary thunder storms all aimed at Superman, and AOE lightning emanating from his hammer or body.Supe's long range options of HV are countered easily. If Superman wants to take Thor out he needs to get close and punch him. Will he be able to do that without being hit by lightning? I doubt it.
One lightning bolt can be dodged, but hundreds? Coming from the sky and from your opponent? Not so easy. And as soon one hits Supes will be stunned if not hurt since it's magic, and thus slowed down enough for Thor to actually hit him with his hammer or pour on more lightning. 10+ Gigawatts should be enough.
I'll rebut now.
Superman isn't the size of a planet so how is planetary storms to an advantage? There is a significant distance between the bolts of a planetary storm. Superman could avoid lightning since it's not AOE or simply beat Thor to the punch.
How can Thor continue to rain lightning bolts on Superman if Superman sees him in slow motion and can close the distance before Thor can probably rain 1 bolt or less? Think of Quicksilver in DAYS OF FUTURE PAST. Thor would be almost frozen in time to Superman. Superman could possibly attack Thor before he even makes a single action.
If it takes Thor 1-2 seconds to summon a bolt from the sky then that's an eternity to Superman.
Now the lightning isn't quite AOE. There is plenty of space between the bolts. Also in the scan you posted, Superman could simply hv Thor while Thor is doing that, or freeze breath him.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
And per the Abby rules, Thor was "weakened" prior to that fight. He won't tell you that, though, only when Superman was "weakened", which is pretty much every low showing.
You could add Thor's speed and Angela's speed into one and it would still come short of even low level kryptonians like Superboy. Here is Supergirl fighting Flash himself at superspeed.
Thor wishes he was that fast.
Originally posted by abhilegendyou realize that in the scan you posted, supergirl is saying that she's never moved that fast before, she's not holding back, and it feels like the flash can't bring himself to hit her right? You basically just posted an outlier feat of supergirl's speed with the opponent holding back.
Even when he was at full power he couldn't touch her. He had to use lightning.You could add Thor's speed and Angela's speed into one and it would still come short of even low level kryptonians like Superboy. Here is Supergirl fighting Flash himself at superspeed.
Thor wishes he was that fast.
