DCnU Superman Vs Thor

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Mogul looks fine to me. It amazes me how Superman fans in particular put so much stock in so called "blitzing." Most of the time it doesn't do shit to his opponent. He apparently gets exponentially weaker when he blitzes, but people are in love with the idea. Thor would eat his weaksauce blitzing.

A testament to his durability. The original question asked, was how fast was Superman, when he was unable to blitz slow characters like Mongul. I merely showed that he in fact, DID blitz Mongul.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Mogul looks fine to me. It amazes me how Superman fans in particular put so much stock in so called "blitzing." Most of the time it doesn't do shit to his opponent. He apparently gets exponentially weaker when he blitzes, but people are in love with the idea. Thor would eat his weaksauce blitzing.

By the way, the narrator thinks Mongul >>> Superman.

It's because he tends to hold back even when it makes no sense and on top of that he still doesn't utilize his speed to the full potential. Blitzing someone and hitting them a few times just shows a lack of imagination. Or Mongul is just that durable.

Originally posted by Surtur
The problem is that Thor won't have time to conjure up these huge lightning storms.

His blitzes weren't effective damage-wise against Orion, Mongul, or Straith. For example the only thing it did to Orion was give him a trollish grin.

Originally posted by carver9
And Thor would beat the crap out of Superman who can't handle a much slower Mongul (who is slower than both Thor and Hulk).

😂 Nah!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Superman blitzed Mongul just fine. In a thousandth of a second, no less, whilst saving people AND strategising and analysing:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/4308782-bcbatman---superman-006-%282014%29-%282-covers%29-%28digital%29-%28nahga-empire%29-05.jpg

Really, I wouldn't want carver on my team in a debate. Of course, he has me on ignore, which just means he will never be able to reply.

😆 Yes! 👆

Originally posted by Surtur
It's because he tends to hold back even when it makes no sense and on top of that he still doesn't utilize his speed to the full potential. Blitzing someone and hitting them a few times just shows a lack of imagination. Or Mongul is just that durable.

Mogul? So back to the OP, do you have any doubt that Thor is that durable, or who he crumble into a pile of bones and flesh?

I think what you guys don't get is that these sort of cute "feats" don't mean shit against a worthy, non-jobbing opponent. For the guys asking how would Thor lay a finger on Superman, first of all, YOU ARE INSANE, and they same way Mongul and any other "vastly slowing herald." And like you stated it DOESN'T all make sense, so....

Originally posted by One-Punch
Do you have scans of Superman taking out a higher herald with a single blitz before they can even throw one attack?

His blitzes weren't effective damage-wise against Orion, Mongul, or Straith. For example the only thing it did to Orion was give him a trollish grin.

Mid-Herald on these boards, I know.....but it WAS a finger flick. And it was THE premier herald in terms of speed, so...*shrug*

Originally posted by One-Punch
Do you have scans of Superman taking out a higher herald with a single blitz before they can even throw one attack?

His blitzes weren't effective damage-wise against Orion, Mongul, or Straith. For example the only thing it did to Orion was give him a trollish grin.

Again, per the Abby rules, this is a sneak attack and should be discounted.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Mid-Herald on these boards, I know.....but it WAS a finger flick. And it was THE premier herald in terms of speed, so...*shrug*

https://wtfdccomics.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/superman-flash-new-52.jpg

Ouch! Darksaint is owning.

Better question how fast is the lady that kicked Thor's butt compared to Flash or Superman

Originally posted by One-Punch
How does DCNU Flash's durability compare to Thor's?

About the same as a full punch compares to a finger flick, I guess.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
About the same as a full punch compares to a finger flick, I guess.

😆 👆 agreed

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
About the same as a full punch compares to a finger flick, I guess.

Originally posted by One-Punch
So based off feats, is Thor's durability more comparable to Orion, Mongul, and Straiths? Or is it closer Flash's?

Comparable to Orion's etc, of course!

I'm not actually being a member of Kal-Qaeda, lol. Thor is durable, incredibly durable - I've been the one bringing things up like him fighting with a liver made of broken glass, for example.

But PIS-free, forum fights? He is vastly faster than Thor, we all agree.

Strength is comparable (of course, Abhi will call foul on this, but I give props where due).

Durability? Comparable.

Speed? Superman > Thor. Indubitably.

Now, based off comics, one can say that his speed punches are weaker than his normal punches.

But that doesn't make sense - have YOU ever tried to punch something as hard as you can? Surely your fist flew faster than when you WEREN'T punching hard, right?

So if it doesn't make sense - explain his showings? Being unable to KO Orion? Mongul? Wraith?

PIS.

(Fun fact: he BFRed Mongul 200 miles with a punch, and punched Wraith to the moon - and through the moon - whilst blitzing).

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/4294600-1bjx2014-09-10+06-50-19+-+superman+unchained+%282013-%29+008-007.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/4294601-1bjx2014-09-10+06-50-19+-+superman+unchained+%282013-%29+008-008.jpg

He was also injured there.

^^^Addung that to the DS file...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Now, based off comics, one can say that his speed punches are weaker than his normal punches.

But that doesn't make sense - have YOU ever tried to punch something as hard as you can? Surely your fist flew faster than when you WEREN'T punching hard, right?

So if it doesn't make sense - explain his showings? Being unable to KO Orion? Mongul? Wraith?

PIS.

Just reading thru stuff. Needing a break from the GDF. 😛

Anyway, quick jabs tend to be much weaker than full on power punches (cross/uppercut/hook).

A boxer can sustain dozens of jabs and still be on his feet but can get KOd by a single direct hit from a cross.

Just saying. Anyway, carry on.

Oh, undoubtedly....but my point is, Supes quick jabs won't be as fast as his hardest punches.

IOW, whilst they may not have pretty after blur images that carver loves, Superman at top speed actually throws single punches.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Comparable to Orion's etc, of course!

I'm not actually being a member of Kal-Qaeda, lol. Thor is durable, incredibly durable - I've been the one bringing things up like him fighting with a liver made of broken glass, for example.

I know you're not part of Kal-Qaeda, despite Rao's explicit eagerness to blow you for defending Superman.

But PIS-free, forum fights? He is vastly faster than Thor, we all agree.

Strength is comparable (of course, Abhi will call foul on this, but I give props where due).

Durability? Comparable.

Speed? Superman > Thor. Indubitably.

Now, based off comics, one can say that his speed punches are weaker than his normal punches.

Also I think you're missing important categories like versatility and energy attacks.

But that doesn't make sense - have YOU ever tried to punch something as hard as you can? Surely your fist flew faster than when you WEREN'T punching hard, right?

So if it doesn't make sense - explain his showings? Being unable to KO Orion? Mongul? Wraith?

PIS.

(Fun fact: he BFRed Mongul 200 miles with a punch, and punched Wraith to the moon - and through the moon - whilst blitzing).

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/4294600-1bjx2014-09-10+06-50-19+-+superman+unchained+%282013-%29+008-007.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/4294601-1bjx2014-09-10+06-50-19+-+superman+unchained+%282013-%29+008-008.jpg

He was also injured there.

Superman's punches certainly do seem weaker when he speed blitzes as opposed to his slower much more powerful haymakers.

But it makes sense, for example:
(A) Try punching a punching bag with all your power and make sure you get your technique and position right (e.g., a right cross or hook)
(B) Now trying punching the bag two dozen times as fast as you possibly can (e.g., multiple jabs)
(C) Now try punching the bag two dozen times as fast as you can while sprinting around the bag as fast as you can (e.g., multiple jabs while running)

Which punch will have the most power behind it? Probably A. Punch B and C will probably be much weaker.

Makes sense when you think about it. Superman is a solar battery with finite energy to expend at any given time. He can expend it doing various things like move super fast or punch super hard. If he were to focus all his energy on a punch, it would shatter a continent. If he were to focus all his energy on speed he could move at light speed. But it would be wrong of us to assume he could throw full power punches while simultaneously going his top speed. Given his finite amount of energy, he'd have to divide it between the two activities.

In the case of speed blitzing while punching, he could be expending 50/50, or 75/25 or 90/10, hence why his speed blitzing punches don't seem as strong.

That's my two-cents.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh, undoubtedly....but my point is, Supes quick jabs won't be as fast as his hardest punches.

IOW, whilst they may not have pretty after blur images that carver loves, Superman at top speed actually throws single punches.

It actually would be. But that's not the point, tho.

Speed is not the only determinant of power. It also requires leverage (proper footwork/positioning). It requires that multiple parts (not just fists) working together to generate as much force as possible. Contrary to what some may think. The power behind a punch starts at the foot not the shoulder/arm. Quick punches/jabs tend to start at the arm/shoulder. That is why they are so fast and constant, they do not require the planting of the foot in order to maximize force. Power punches require perfect timing to execute in order to connect. Quick jabs (specifically, as there are also power jabs, there are actually several kinds)? Not so much. There is also a stamina issue as power punches tend to use up a LOT of energy. That is why power punches tend to come in single pinpoint shots or short bursts (unless you're Manny Pacquiao, that is) and jabs can be constant, quick and go into combos very easily. Edit. Essentially, if you want me to break down what I'm trying to say: Power-punching takes up more resources and have far more moving parts and requires more thought on the side of the boxer. Thus it is not as constant as quick jabs are.

Now I do not know how this converts to comic science. I'm sure no expert of that. 😛

Anyway, final post on the matter. It's almost 7am. Peace all! 🙂

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Mogul looks fine to me. It amazes me how Superman fans in particular put so much stock in so called "blitzing." Most of the time it doesn't do shit to his opponent. He apparently gets exponentially weaker when he blitzes, but people are in love with the idea. Thor would eat his weaksauce blitzing.

By the way, the narrator thinks Mongul >>> Superman.

Mongul looks fine because he's a power house.

It's probably because most of the characters he blitz, are once again in his class.

Where do you come from with getting weaker when he blitzes tidbit from?

Originally posted by One-Punch
😂 👆

I know you're not part of Kal-Qaeda, despite Rao's explicit eagerness to blow you for defending Superman.

The only "blows" I see around here are your arguments usually against Superman 🙂

But DS does not need to part of kal-quaeda for anyone to see that he is kicking your @ss 👆