Rogers, Bucky, Khan vs Sideous

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Good for Jango, but that doesn't mean Mace was moving at full speed in that sequence. Prove he was moving at full speed or stop acting like it's a fact he was. If you believe it to be a fact, when then, you'll have to prove that. For all we know Mace was being very deliberate there in his movements.

You still didn't answer the question... Are missiles and bullets in movies slower than in real life because we can see them? Your assertion that different fictional universes are their own entity and thus there is no crossover. This couldn't be further from the truth. We aren't just talking about X-Men universe or Spiderman Universe... we're talking regular every day movies.. even movies based on real life events. WE SEE BULLETS.... WE SEE MISSLIES... This is a COMMON theme in movies across ALL genres. Now, if you have info that in Star Wars, they specifically made the movie to show exactly how fast their movements were... well then you'll have to prove that as well. I have a canon book from the creator of the universe SPECICALLY and without Ambiguity saying how fast they can move. He tirelessly went over each and every line of the book and signed off on it. Including the parts about their speed. So why would he approve a book and lines about speed, but then in the movie, actually want them to be slower and adhere to real movie watching time? That makes no logical sense. What makes more logical sense is, that just like in other movies, he actually wanted the audience to see him fighting or blocking blaster fire... instead of the audience going... huh. So, post something from Lucas in his commentary or an interview saying the jedi can only move and real movie time speed or you've lost the argument.

I see them as roughly the same but lasers don't travel at bullet speed. We also see Kenobi is slower than a missile reaction. 🙂

Films and series only. We see them in real time and you dismiss it in favor of hyperbolic statements which are commonplace to describe the scenes in flowery language. Onus is on you to prove the real time of the feats and the common sense of the order 66 rapping Jedi is indisputable fact. Flowery language in a book isn't.

I havent read last 8 pages but how does the team even last 30 seconds? He can just force hold and lightning right? I mean, Im confused as how the team is even able to get within arms reach of him. Lightning ftw, spite thread.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I havent read last 8 pages but how does the team even last 30 seconds? He can just force hold and lightning right? I mean, Im confused as how the team is even able to get within arms reach of him. Lightning ftw, spite thread.

HYG again:

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01.47 Using the Force to hold opponents - check

02:44 Using the Force to forcibly shove/slam an opponent - check

04:24 Using the Force to rag-doll an opponent into submission to the point he's left whimpering on the floor (Maul) - check

04:41 Using Force-lightning on an opponent - check

Originally posted by quanchi112
We do not see a faster combat speed ever. We also see Kenobi take on Jango and he was unable to fight at a higher speed as well. The Jedi were fighting for their lives so why would they fight slower than their potential ? It logically makes no sense. Jedi were dying, sport. 🙂

I see them as roughly the same but lasers don't travel at bullet speed. We also see Kenobi is slower than a missile reaction. 🙂

Films and series only. We see them in real time and you dismiss it in favor of hyperbolic statements which are commonplace to describe the scenes in flowery language. Onus is on you to prove the real time of the feats and the common sense of the order 66 rapping Jedi is indisputable fact. Flowery language in a book isn't.

Yes he did, he fought the emperor who was force enhancing his speed. The same emperor who blitzed three acclaimed Jedi of the order with his speed. He was able to keep up with him just fine. Are you now claiming Jango can move as fast as the emperor can?

Incorrect, I just cited movies BASED ON REAL LIFE EVENTS, depict missiles and bullets so they audience can see them. Im' asking you.. for the 3rd time... does that mean they move slower than in real life because the director has us see them?

No I dismiss them based on the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE. The same EXACT person who made the film, also tirelessly went over the book. He had them move that fast in the book to show their speed. You're claiming that was just flowery language and the movie is actually how fast they move. Well then the onus is on you to prove that was Lucas' intention. YOUR view on the matter counts for nothing. I have the creator and director of the movie we're discussing edit and approve books about the same movies, where without ambiguity he stated how fast they can move. If you have any proof from Lucas that it was just flowery language and the movie time is actually how fast they move... they post the proof. If not, I'll be accepting your concession that this is just another example in a long line of example where they want the audience to see what's going on so they intentionally slow things down to that end. Simple.

Originally posted by Robtard
HYG:

YouTube video

01.47 Using the Force to hold opponents - check

02:44 Using the Force to forcibly shove/slam an opponent - check

04:24 Using the Force to basically rag-doll an opponent into submission to the point he's left whimpering on the floor (Maul) - check

04:41 Using Force-lightning on an opponent - check

Stop fail-trolling like an angry ladyboy(you can't), Shadow specially said Sidious can use the Force to hold and Force-lightning. That clip shows Sidous holding, shoving, rag-dolling and lighting up opponents.

The clip > your claims

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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Yes he did, he fought the emperor who was force enhancing his speed. The same emperor who blitzed three acclaimed Jedi of the order with his speed. He was able to keep up with him just fine. Are you now claiming Jango can move as fast as the emperor can?

Incorrect, I just cited movies BASED ON REAL LIFE EVENTS, depict missiles and bullets so they audience can see them. Im' asking you.. for the 3rd time... does that mean they move slower than in real life because the director has us see them?

No I dismiss them based on the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE. The same EXACT person who made the film, also tirelessly went over the book. He had them move that fast in the book to show their speed. You're claiming that was just flowery language and the movie is actually how fast they move. Well then the onus is on you to prove that was Lucas' intention. YOUR view on the matter counts for nothing. I have the creator and director of the movie we're discussing edit and approve books about the same movies, where without ambiguity he stated how fast they can move. If you have any proof from Lucas that it was just flowery language and the movie time is actually how fast they move... they post the proof. If not, I'll be accepting your concession that this is just another example in a long line of example where they want the audience to see what's going on so they intentionally slow things down to that end. Simple.

At no point did I say missiles or bullets but the one example of Kenobi was too slow to react to a missile which drove him back. And Jedi aren't faster than lasers either. Repeating yourself without understanding what's being discussed isn't debating.

The same guy who directed the film and had the technology to show force speed. He did in tpm. He didn't show it here. I've explained it. Movies are fine to be watched they don't ever require a book to get. You can continue to ignore timing but you're a fanboy so I wouldn't expect anything else.

😂 😂

Originally posted by Robtard
Stop fail-trolling like an angry ladyboy(you can't), Shadow specially said Sidious can use the Force to hold and Force-lightning. That clip shows Sidous holding, shoving, rag-dolling and lighting up opponents.

The clip > your claims

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Right onto that strawman, good to see you concede to me already.

This clip is all you need to know how Sidious wins here:

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You should probably get around to actually watching it, it's a good one. Maul is left whimpering on the floor like a coward 👆

Originally posted by Robtard
Right onto that strawman, good to see you concede to me already.

This clip is all you need to know how Sidious wins here:

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You should probably get around to actually watching it, it's a good one. Maul is left whimpering on the floor like a coward 👆

IOW: "I can't counter any of the points you highlighted in regards to the video so I'm going to strawman and hope the page flips soon!" -quanchi112

Refusing to counter my actual points means you concede, like always

YouTube video

01.47 Using the Force to hold opponents - check

02:44 Using the Force to forcibly shove/slam an opponent - check

04:24 Using the Force to basically rag-doll an opponent into submission to the point he's left whimpering on the floor (Maul) - check

04:41 Using Force-lightning on an opponent - check

Originally posted by Robtard
IOW: "I can't counter any of the points you highlighted in regards to the video so I'm going to strawman and hope the page flips soon!" -quanchi112

Refusing to counter my actual points means you concede, like always

YouTube video

01.47 Using the Force to hold opponents - check

02:44 Using the Force to forcibly shove/slam an opponent - check

04:24 Using the Force to basically rag-doll an opponent into submission to the point he's left whimpering on the floor (Maul) - check

04:41 Using Force-lightning on an opponent - check

Your reading comprehension being generally awful aside, my points have nothing to do with your strawman. Since you keep dodging my points, I'll take that as you not being able to counter and continue. In short: You lost again.

YouTube video

01.47 Using the Force to hold opponents - check

02:44 Using the Force to forcibly shove/slam an opponent - check

04:24 Using the Force to basically rag-doll an opponent into submission to the point he's left whimpering on the floor (Maul) - check

04:41 Using Force-lightning on an opponent - check

#anotherdayanothervictory

Originally posted by Robtard
Your reading comprehension being generally awful aside, my points have nothing to do with your strawman. Since you keep dodging my points, I'll take that as you not being able to counter and continue. In short: You lost again.

YouTube video

01.47 Using the Force to hold opponents - check

02:44 Using the Force to forcibly shove/slam an opponent - check

04:24 Using the Force to basically rag-doll an opponent into submission to the point he's left whimpering on the floor (Maul) - check

04:41 Using Force-lightning on an opponent - check

#anotherdayanothervictory

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see Palpatine didn't move that quickly just quicker than the shitty Jedi could account for. We can time out those laughably slow moves they couldn't account for if you'd like.

At no point did I say missiles or bullets but the one example of Kenobi was too slow to react to a missile which drove him back. And Jedi aren't faster than lasers either. Repeating yourself without understanding what's being discussed isn't debating.

The same guy who directed the film and had the technology to show force speed. He did in tpm. He didn't show it here. I've explained it. Movies are fine to be watched they don't ever require a book to get. You can continue to ignore timing but you're a fanboy so I wouldn't expect anything else.

😂 😂

Not what I asked... Are you claiming Jango is as fast as Sidious?

Yes you did, you keep talking about timing these attacks to show how was they were. When I've proven that timing out attacks doesn't work in movies many times. Hence the, how can we see missiles and bullets in movies, when in real life we couldn't. So I'm asking AGAIN for the 4th time... does that mean missiles and bullets in movies are slower than in real life? Simple question, try answering it.

Where did he show it in TPM. Which scene are you referring to?

You're right the SAME director, producer and CREATOR of the universe, without ambiguity laid out exactly how fast they are. The edited and approved the books about the movie. So are you claiming he was being disingenuous in the book and didn't actually want them traveling that fast? If that is your claim, then you'll need to back it up. I have the creator of the universe saying they move that fast... now prove it otherwise. Saying you can time the attacks isn't proof. I've shown without question, movies can be made to slow things down so the audience can see things. That is without question. So you saying oh look it took 2 seconds isn't proof. I want something from Lucas' himself contradicting his words for those scenes

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Not what I asked... Are you claiming Jango is as fast as Sidious?

Yes you did, you keep talking about timing these attacks to show how was they were. When I've proven that timing out attacks doesn't work in movies many times. Hence the, how can we see missiles and bullets in movies, when in real life we couldn't. So I'm asking AGAIN for the 4th time... does that mean missiles and bullets in movies are slower than in real life? Simple question, try answering it.

Where did he show it in TPM. Which scene are you referring to?

You're right the SAME director, producer and CREATOR of the universe, without ambiguity laid out exactly how fast they are. The edited and approved the books about the movie. So are you claiming he was being disingenuous in the book and didn't actually want them traveling that fast? If that is your claim, then you'll need to back it up. I have the creator of the universe saying they move that fast... now prove it otherwise. Saying you can time the attacks isn't proof. I've shown without question, movies can be made to slow things down so the audience can see things. That is without question. So you saying oh look it took 2 seconds isn't proof. I want something from Lucas' himself contradicting his words for those scenes

I didn't say that. I said his perception is clearly within the same league as Sidious.

I already answered this question the first time you asked. The fact you didn't catch this proves you just repeat yourself in an attempt to delude yourself that you're onto something.

Force running away from the droids.

To sell merchandise. A movie doesn't need a book to describe a scene and I've already addresses this and backed it up with canon examples of non force users killing Jedi.

Should I post the battle of geonosis with droids killing Jedi ?

😂

They must have been blurs in between reality I mean that fast. Droid speed. Your case is atrocious. Always has been always will be.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't say that. I said his perception is clearly within the same league as Sidious.

I already answered this question the first time you asked. The fact you didn't catch this proves you just repeat yourself in an attempt to delude yourself that you're onto something.

Force running away from the droids.

To sell merchandise. A movie doesn't need a book to describe a scene and I've already addresses this and backed it up with canon examples of non force users killing Jedi.

Should I post the battle of geonosis with droids killing Jedi ?

😂

They must have been blurs in between reality I mean that fast. Droid speed. Your case is atrocious. Always has been always will be.

No you didn't, you still have yet to answer the question. If you did, then you should have no trouble repeating it or quoting it.

His perception isn't the same at all. When was Jango show blocking and dodging Laser fire? Not one time was he shown doing that. The Jedi and Sith on the other hand have been shown to dodge and black laser fire. Proof that Jango's perception is as good as a Jedi?

This wasn't a droid killing Jedi... This was hundreds and hundreds of Droids shooting at the Jedi in a huge arena. They were taking fire from multiple directions from multiple droids and blocking most of them. Some of them getting through, doesn't mean their perception was slow or the Droids were as fast. Only an idiot like yourself would follow that logical line of reasoning. You're simply bad at debating.

Huh? How do you know that was force speed being used there? We see him simply running.. prove it was faster than normal or a human?

So you have no proof to back up your claim that Lucas was being disingenuous in the book as you claim. That is the ONLY way for your view to make any sense. One doesn't say one thing to describe someone... then turn around and completely contradict that. Not likely, nor reasonable. I accept your concession that timing out feats doesn't apply here. Either back up your claim or concede the point.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No you didn't, you still have yet to answer the question. If you did, then you should have no trouble repeating it or quoting it.

His perception isn't the same at all. When was Jango show blocking and dodging Laser fire? Not one time was he shown doing that. The Jedi and Sith on the other hand have been shown to dodge and black laser fire. Proof that Jango's perception is as good as a Jedi?

This wasn't a droid killing Jedi... This was hundreds and hundreds of Droids shooting at the Jedi in a huge arena. They were taking fire from multiple directions from multiple droids and blocking most of them. Some of them getting through, doesn't mean their perception was slow or the Droids were as fast. Only an idiot like yourself would follow that logical line of reasoning. You're simply bad at debating.

Huh? How do you know that was force speed being used there? We see him simply running.. prove it was faster than normal or a human?

So you have no proof to back up your claim that Lucas was being disingenuous in the book as you claim. That is the ONLY way for your view to make any sense. One doesn't say one thing to describe someone... then turn around and completely contradict that. Not likely, nor reasonable. I accept your concession that timing out feats doesn't apply here. Either back up your claim or concede the point.

Jango doesn't possess the skills with a Lightsaber or even use one. We see him fight Kenobi in hand to hand and they were on the same level. You are so laughably bad at comprehending anything. Being on a different level is something like the flash whose movenents are beyond those around him. We clearly see the Jedi have expectional skills with lightsabers but they aren't on another level of perception as evidenced by Bane, Jango Fett, droids, order 66, etc.

The droids while there were many of them were overwhelming a sizeable group of Jedi. The skill of the droids is awful. Their maneuverability is sub par. If their perception was beyond theirs they'd route the weaker droids. They didn't.

We see in tpm that force speed is shown on screen as different than just reacting in a fight. We see a clear difference so you'd need to offer proof to suggest they fought at a faster pace than shown on screen since it was already shown.

You made the claim and hyperbolic words aren't factual data. It's hyperbole.

Facts matter. Time matters. Your perception and delusions do not.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You sound rather intimidated by me.

Many of the things you believe are delusional.