Rogers, Bucky, Khan vs Sideous

Started by EmperorSidious215 pages

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is arrogance. He also gave Yoda theory five seconds to recover and then tried to book it away from the fight. Horrible combat decisions.

Vader killed his owner.

Prove it.

No, he let two seconds go by, let Maul and Opress go, and gave Yoda 35 seconds to recover because he's an asshat. Evidence speaks for my points.

I mean when you shock someone like Yoda, who like you said is an esteemed Jedi master and the grandmaster when you shock him, you start to really think he can't do anything, so to him it wasn't a dumb decision. To us we have a third person view, so we know it was a bad decision, he didn't.

Now let's say the context shall we? Come on Quan let's examine the context.

Sidious isn't an idiot. He has never once needlessly let himself be put in danger. Sidious vs Windu, was in control, knew Anakin was coming and when, and had his power to fall back on, Luke vs Vader, he knew Vader was going to do that or, he had his massive power to help, Sidious vs the guards, again precog, and protocol, their orders aren't to shoot immediantly, unless it's clearly obvious they are a threat like a gigantic monster running towards you. So Sidiois had complete control over all of those situations.

No he chokes right out the gate. Waht was the first thing he did. He choked them out. He let them go because they were not a threat, and he knew they couldn't hurt him, Yoda I explained above. Keep on dreaming.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I mean when you shock someone like Yoda, who like you said is an esteemed Jedi master and the grandmaster when you shock him, you start to really think he can't do anything, so to him it wasn't a dumb decision. To us we have a third person view, so we know it was a bad decision, he didn't.

Now let's say the context shall we? Come on Quan let's examine the context.

Sidious isn't an idiot. He has never once needlessly let himself be put in danger. Sidious vs Windu, was in control, knew Anakin was coming and when, and had his power to fall back on, Luke vs Vader, he knew Vader was going to do that or, he had his massive power to help, Sidious vs the guards, again precog, and protocol, their orders aren't to shoot immediantly, unless it's clearly obvious they are a threat like a gigantic monster running towards you. So Sidiois had complete control over all of those situations.

No he chokes right out the gate. Waht was the first thing he did. He choked them out. He let them go because they were not a threat, and he knew they couldn't hurt him, Yoda I explained above. Keep on dreaming.

When someone who showed up to kill you and you have them down and laugh until they recover it is moronic since he never killed Yoda. He intended to back when he issued order 66.

Yes, he is in combat. He was at Windu's mercy and was lucky to survive. He took facial scarring because of his idiocy. Vader killed Palpatine so he was moronic for prolonging Luke's torture and not just outright killing him.

His precog didn't even foresee Yoda blocking his exit so enough of that horseshit.

They were featless mooks and even they had the chance to fire but didn't. Khan won't hesitate. Sheev dies. One shot.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Where is is shown any force power is insta kill even?
Let us see if any biased Sidious can answer this one ?

This is true. no Force ability has been shown to kill instantly. However, they have been shown to incapacitate instantly and once that happens, once Sidious does that to two out of three, he can then focus on killing one at a time.

Originally posted by relentless1
This is true. no Force ability has been shown to kill instantly. However, they have been shown to incapacitate instantly and once that happens, once Sidious does that to two out of there, he can then focus on killing one at a time.
Post a clip so we can compare the timing of the feats. Let's do it you cowards.

Sidious vs Maul and Savage, rag dolls them and incapacitates Maul easily and quickly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8uXBdCIsrU

Vader choking various people, notice the instant Vader initiates the choke, the victims are completely incapacitated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-NvFIK_beQ

Various Force push, notice how far each recipient is flung, none of them get up with any sort of quickness either, not quite incapacitated but definitely out of the fight for at least a good 30 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sromTpE4OE

Originally posted by relentless1
Sidious vs Maul and Savage, rag dolls them and incapacitates Maul easily and quickly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8uXBdCIsrU

Vader choking various people, notice the instant Vader initiates the choke, the victims are completely incapacitated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-NvFIK_beQ

Various Force push, notice how far each recipient is flung, none of them get up with any sort of quickness either, not quite incapacitated but definitely out of the fight for at least a good 30 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sromTpE4OE

He defeated them after a long fight. He actually releases them so they aren't ko'd.

Vader takes over seven seconds with his chokes so not fast or instant and against no one impressive or with weaponry on hand.

We see Yoda force push Palpatine and it just knocks him back. It isn't that impressive at all. A violent shove. 😂

This is a sad defense here. Very sad indeed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, and in character he didn't beat them with the attack so you scripted the rest and what's worse yet had him act out of character. He did choke two guards but not before they had him in their sets and gave him a warning. They had two seconds to shoot. Khan will just as soon as he can so he'd be dead in that exact same situation. In this thread his opponents will also see him. Palpatine had the benefit of cheapshot attacking them without warning.

And we also saw Yoda stop a senate pod coming right at him but we also saw him force push Palpatine who is less durable than a senate pod. He was fine. Palpatine's Lightning has been survived by even himself for over thirty seconds. Weak attack.

I said that he pinned Savage and Maul against the wall and didn't show any problems doing so, so I didn't script anything, but please show me Sidious not pinning Maul and Savage against the wall effortlessly, it's your claim that he didn't after all. I didn't have him act out of character when he did it on screen, that is you projecting your thoughts on what Sidious should do onto the character, and your dislike for sidious as a character really isn't my problem. Kinda hard to shoot when you're either flying around in the air getting your faced slam into the ground, or is getting choked.

I don't at all see the comparison, did Khan, Bucky and Cap suddenly develop force powers I'm unaware off? Else I don't at all see what the point of using Yoda is.

Come on Utrigita, I thought you were smarter than this.

Originally posted by Placidity
Come on Utrigita, I thought you were smarter than this.

Yeah your right, didn't know what I was thinking. I blame the boring work 🙁

Not as boring as in engaging in "debate" with Quan.

Originally posted by Placidity
Not as boring as in engaging in "debate" with Quan.

Packing paper in boxes and sorting through journals gets close though 😆

Originally posted by Utrigita
I said that he pinned Savage and Maul against the wall and didn't show any problems doing so, so I didn't script anything, but please show me Sidious not pinning Maul and Savage against the wall effortlessly, it's your claim that he didn't after all. I didn't have him act out of character when he did it on screen, that is you projecting your thoughts on what Sidious should do onto the character, and your dislike for sidious as a character really isn't my problem. Kinda hard to shoot when you're either flying around in the air getting your faced slam into the ground, or is getting choked.

I don't at all see the comparison, did Khan, Bucky and Cap suddenly develop force powers I'm unaware off? Else I don't at all see what the point of using Yoda is.

Ownage.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When someone who showed up to kill you and you have them down and laugh until they recover it is moronic since he never killed Yoda. He intended to back when he issued order 66.

Yes, he is in combat. He was at Windu's mercy and was lucky to survive. He took facial scarring because of his idiocy. Vader killed Palpatine so he was moronic for prolonging Luke's torture and not just outright killing him.

His precog didn't even foresee Yoda blocking his exit so enough of that horseshit.

They were featless mooks and even they had the chance to fire but didn't. Khan won't hesitate. Sheev dies. One shot.

What am I doing, Game was over pages ago. You already agreed to everything I said.

So you lost here since its baseless.

Again baseless.

And once again baseless.

You have failed to show how they get past force choke so for that reason game officials over.

Guys Sidious didn't Force choke anyone in ROTS so obviously he can't use Force choke he loses

^ No he can Force choke, it's just not IN CHARACTER for him to do so since he never did it on screen, therefore the choke argument is invalid.

Honestly hoping he was taking the piss there

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am claiming the lasers and the real time actions by Jango are clearly on par with Mace's despite him not being a force sensitive.

Good for Jango, but that doesn't mean Mace was moving at full speed in that sequence. Prove he was moving at full speed or stop acting like it's a fact he was. If you believe it to be a fact, when then, you'll have to prove that. For all we know Mace was being very deliberate there in his movements.

You still didn't answer the question... Are missiles and bullets in movies slower than in real life because we can see them? Your assertion that different fictional universes are their own entity and thus there is no crossover. This couldn't be further from the truth. We aren't just talking about X-Men universe or Spiderman Universe... we're talking regular every day movies.. even movies based on real life events. WE SEE BULLETS.... WE SEE MISSLIES... This is a COMMON theme in movies across ALL genres. Now, if you have info that in Star Wars, they specifically made the movie to show exactly how fast their movements were... well then you'll have to prove that as well. I have a canon book from the creator of the universe SPECICALLY and without Ambiguity saying how fast they can move. He tirelessly went over each and every line of the book and signed off on it. Including the parts about their speed. So why would he approve a book and lines about speed, but then in the movie, actually want them to be slower and adhere to real movie watching time? That makes no logical sense. What makes more logical sense is, that just like in other movies, he actually wanted the audience to see him fighting or blocking blaster fire... instead of the audience going... huh. So, post something from Lucas in his commentary or an interview saying the jedi can only move and real movie time speed or you've lost the argument.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I said that he pinned Savage and Maul against the wall and didn't show any problems doing so, so I didn't script anything, but please show me Sidious not pinning Maul and Savage against the wall effortlessly, it's your claim that he didn't after all. I didn't have him act out of character when he did it on screen, that is you projecting your thoughts on what Sidious should do onto the character, and your dislike for sidious as a character really isn't my problem. Kinda hard to shoot when you're either flying around in the air getting your faced slam into the ground, or is getting choked.

I don't at all see the comparison, did Khan, Bucky and Cap suddenly develop force powers I'm unaware off? Else I don't at all see what the point of using Yoda is.

He caught them off guard just as Yoda caught Sidious off guard with a force push. Khan effortlessly shoots down Klingons as well but we can't just take away what these guys bring to the table which is different from the victims of Khan and Palpatine.

When Palpatine did hit Maul and Opress he also let them go which is in character. He didn't beat them or ko them with this attack.

Khan shoots while he is mid air and hits his target just fine. Claim backed.

They do not need force powers to compete as Jango and Cad Bane proved a matchup for Jedi who do have force powers. 🙂

Originally posted by Placidity
Not as boring as in engaging in "debate" with Quan.
You sound rather intimidated by me.