Originally posted by The_Tempest
The Revan we never saw but heard of was indeed pretty sharp.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Post bumping his head he's fairly well established as an utter buffoon.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
So Revan needed his own TV show where he's being outsmarted by Ahsoka Tano and bested by gungans? mmmEh, the Order of Revan (and the Rishi plot) was pretty damn impressive.
I thought we're taking all these commanders at their best? So I assume we're using memory loss Revan too then? 😛
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Except those are practically two entirely different characters until he regained his memories. 😬Grievous and Grievous are the same.
Grievous as he's described in the RotS and LoE novelizations and how he was shown in the 2003 cartoon and comics are similar to canon Grievous?
They're completely different! Regardless if we are using composite Grievous wouldn't we take the his best showings into account? If he was as piss poor of a commander as he was in TCW and then went on to be a calculating general that won thousands of battles we'd take his later showings into account over the earlier ones.
I'm sure Revan has plenty of embarrassing blunders throughout his career, you're just the only one that knows about them. xD
It's called experience and inconsistency. 😬 BTW, chill, it was a joke to Temp. God damn.
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Everyone's well aware of Revan's main one:
t;dr: Revan was outsmarted by two Gamorreans and stood there while a bomb timer went down out loud.
However, his career as a Darth was that of virtual perfection right until that final battle with Bastila Shan.
The fact he eliminated the Mandalorians as a galactic power from all of history surpasses anything Grievous' done.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It's called experience and inconsistency. 😬 BTW, chill, it was a joke to Temp. God damn.--- --- ---
Everyone's well aware of Revan's main one:
t;dr: Revan was outsmarted by two Gamorreans and stood there while a bomb timer went down out loud.
However, his career as a Darth was that of virtual perfection right until that final battle with Bastila Shan.
The fact he eliminated the Mandalorians as a galactic power from all of history surpasses anything Grievous' done.
*Shrug*
Personally I see them as being pretty close. Grievous won thousands of battles for the CIS despite having inferior troops. His mere presence turned the tide of engagements ( and he didn't have to rely on battle meditation ). Is Revan a skilled tactician/strategist? Probably. How many of his victories were attributed to a combination of his charisma, battle meditation, his skills as a warrior and having the people's support though? We don't know.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Grievous won thousands of battles for the CIS despite having inferior troops.
Originally posted by Syndicate
His mere presence turned the tide of engagements
Originally posted by Syndicate
( and he didn't have to rely on battle meditation ).
Originally posted by Syndicate
Is Revan a skilled tactician/strategist? Probably.
Originally posted by Syndicate
How many of his victories were attributed to a combination of his charisma, battle meditation, his skills as a warrior and having the people's support though? We don't know.
And uh, there's literally maps of the Mandalorian Wars and Jedi Civil Wars. We know which worlds he conquered, etc. etc.
http://www.mandayaim.com/mme/wojny_mando/Mandalorians_wars_map.jpg & http://i57.tinypic.com/2ef59nb.jpg
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Source? And he generally had a hell of a lot more of them.Uh, so did Revan's. Look at the Battle of Duro and Malachor V.
Revan didn't either. Not sure what the hell you're referring to.
Undeniably.Again, Revan didn't use Battle Meditation during any part of his conquering career.
And uh, there's literally maps of the Mandalorian Wars and Jedi Civil Wars. We know which worlds he conquered, etc. etc.
http://www.mandayaim.com/mme/wojny_mando/Mandalorians_wars_map.jpg & http://i57.tinypic.com/2ef59nb.jpg [/B]
Generally it can be assumed given his tenure as the CIS's commander but let me find you a quote.
Assumed Revan used Battle Meditation before that point. Ah well the other things I said can still be applied.
And it can't be assumed by Revan? He literally conquered hundreds and hundreds of worlds with only two defeats.
The first being against Cassus Fett himself at Battle of Jaga's Cluster, where Fett literally boarded Revan's admiral's ship and killed him. And the battle had no impact on the actual course of the war.
And the second was when he was ambushed by Bastila Shan's strike team and betrayed by Darth Malak. 😬 Based on what we know about Revan and how his win-record is absurd, he'd probably have won.
There was literally no possible way for Revan to use Battle Meditation. Bastila Shan joined his empire only following his redemption.
