10 Great Military Leaders

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
And it can't be assumed by Revan? He literally conquered hundreds and hundreds of worlds with only two defeats.

The first being against Cassus Fett himself at Battle of Jaga's Cluster, where Fett literally boarded Revan's admiral's ship and killed him. And the battle had no impact on the actual course of the war.

And the second was when he was ambushed by Bastila Shan's strike team and betrayed by Darth Malak. 😬 Based on what we know about Revan and how his win-record is absurd, he'd probably have won.

There was literally no possible way for Revan to use Battle Meditation. Bastila Shan joined his empire only following his redemption.

It can be I'm just saying Grievous at his best and Revan at his best are at least comparable.

I thought it said in your respect thread he knew how to use Battle Meditation?

No.

http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/revan-respect-thread/95278/? Where?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No.

http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/revan-respect-thread/95278/? Where?

Hmmm. I must have read that from somewhere else or just assumed he had it. Sorry about that.

Let's be real. Revan is next-level tier mary sue. People are willingly to destroy their home planets for him. Commit treason. Convince you that any battle could be won if you just did whatever retarded thing he told you to do, like mash yourself and your entire fleet into the surface of a dead world. He's seen entire wars in advance. He turned the shambled militia that the Republic called a navy into galactic fleet that was not only able to combat the Mandalorians, but go further into the Unknown Regions than the Republic has ever been. Half a person, and completely insane, he was able to outsmart the entire galaxy using backwater cultists and pirates, as well as convince a huge portion of the Republic and even the Sith Empire that committing ritualistic suicide was somehow a good idea. How is Grievous comparable to Revan in strategy or psychological warfare? Like in any way?

Tbh Fresh, when you put it like that, Revan as a character is pretty stupid and was just able to do shit because....reasons.

That's the point, Fresh. He's not. 😉

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
How is Grievous comparable to Revan in strategy or psychological warfare? Like in any way?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
"Rawr! Grrrr! RARRRRWARWR!"-Grievous.

TBF, Grievous was decent as a tactician. Trying to compare him to Revan is just wrong tho. It's the equivalent of comparing Bane to Sidious. Malak is a much better comparison for Grievous. 👆 🙂

Spoiler:
Ant will get it 😉

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Tbh Fresh, when you put it like that, Revan as a character is pretty stupid and was just able to do shit because....reasons.

"You, this droid, and me, Bastila. We can take on all the Sith in that tower."
"Training me might mean Revan will come back? Well that isn't weird at all."
"So I've been here a week, and now I'm the Jedi's only hope? And I have these dreams from nowhere? Seems legit."
[insert every bit of the Bastilamance here]
"This computer recognizes me. And it's for a Star Map. That I saw in a vision. Of Revan. Nope. Seems normal."

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

And KotOR II Revan was even worse:

"Revan made you believe he could do anything."
"Revan was able to torture Jedi into loving him even more."
"We don't give a shit about Sith or Jedi. Those are just religions. I mean except Revan."
"Revan is the Force, and you are shit."
"Revan taught me that normal people matter too, which is why I think I matter less than him."
"Revan was like Jesus, if Jesus was a kickass Sith Lord that I wanted to have sex with."
"Revan was beyond all his masters, and he learned Sith teachings from nowhere. True story."
"Revan was secretly testing the Republic, btw, trufax."
"The Jedi are awful, but Revan isn't."

It was like going from powertrip and duh moments to absolute fellatio. Which is why I play the Enemy Within every week. Because me and 7 of my closest friends get to help Revan commit suicide over and over and over and over and over again.

I laughed longer and harder than I should have.

BTW Freshest you got two bio-worthy posts in under an hour.

Congrats.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
"Drown them in B1s."-Sidious
"What he said, but also send B2s!"-Dooku
"Rawr! Grrrr! RARRRRWARWR!"-Grievous.

I will say Grievous did his job well- namely, extend the war, preserve the bulk of CIS forces, and thus increase the political pressure on the Republic and give Dooku room to talk more worlds/strongarm more worlds into switching sides.

His forces were cheap, but squishy. Large head-on fights would be bad, because if most of the CIS forces were gone, even temporarily, so would go the strongarm threats and it'd be too easy to strike at their manufacturing centers. Long term attrition warfare, where he gets and inflicts casualties that are counteracted by a steady stream of new droids on his side but results in lost lives on the other, is a sensible strategy.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
What no Ground Commanders? Also Ackbar really that high? Ehh...not too sure on that and yeah Tarkin above Thrawn?

Mandalore's a ground commander.

Frankly, the Mandalores and Vong warlords and Jedi/Sith are the only major ground commanders we know, we almost exclusively follow space commanders outside of them, because most of the time they're at the top of the command hierarchy and space command is more important.

Originally posted by Q99

Mandalore's a ground commander.

Frankly, the Mandalores and Vong warlords and Jedi/Sith are the only major ground commanders we know, we almost exclusively follow space commanders outside of them, because most of the time they're at the top of the command hierarchy and space command is more important.

Yeah, but also a space one. 😛

Also Veers? Rieekan? Madine?

But granted, space battles do seem to take precedence over ground ones. But eh....I like ground battles moreso I suppose.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Also Veers? Rieekan? Madine?

1.Thrawn.
2.B'wuatu.
3.Vader.*
4.Ackbar.
5.Pallaeon.

*Ackbar genuinely stated that Vader would have kicked his ass at Endor if he'd been on the Executor.

Originally posted by AncientPower
1.Thrawn.
2.B'wuatu.
3.Vader.*
4.Ackbar.
5.Pallaeon.

*Ackbar genuinely stated that Vader would have kicked his ass at Endor if he'd been on the Executor.

Originally posted by Q99
I will say Grievous did his job well- namely, extend the war, preserve the bulk of CIS forces, and thus increase the political pressure on the Republic and give Dooku room to talk more worlds/strongarm more worlds into switching sides.

Which then begs the question, just how good were both sides if it was all just one big farce and things were altered in favor?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except it's a fact that Palpatine orchestrated battles to make the Jedi, Anakin, look good and the still allow the Separatists to survive. He controlled both sides of the war, so saying "One side was so good at doing this," will never and can never be true.

Add to that how much of the logistical complexity is taken out of commanding a near-infinite amount of troops that never go hungry, get sick, run out of stamina or get demoralized and alot of the general impressiveness of his accolades (which frankly are far and between anyway) kind of get the wind knocked out of them, compared to the other commanders on this list.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The double-standards are so strong I can ****ing tangibly touch it.

Nobody wants to see your low rez monitor.