Originally posted by carver9
The one I ignore?
Actually you argued against it in this topic.
To make sure you see DS.
Originally posted by carver9
https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e8a95338197b77cb0126e7ef9c3b8bd0?convert_to_webp=trueHe can most definitely reduce mass.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought we don't feat share?DcnU, carver.
Originally posted by carver9
Yep. Please stop replying to him because he doesn't make sense. Proxima has to activate her ability. Shes not walking around with poison leaking out of her staff of Beams shooting out of her staff or the staff oozing black mass (like it did around Hulk) or turning purple, red, etc... or splitting up into 3 Spears.It's an active power. Let me reword that. It's OBVIOUSLY a staff that has abilities that needs to be activated. Leave it be bro. Your argument will not get anywhere.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Exactly.So it has levels. Nothing in Proxima Midnights statement gave an indication how large this star was.
We can certainly argue that Batman's red suns were lighter, due to their size.
Yet, somehow, PMs star is meant to be = an average, generic star. Based on?
Hulk struggled to lift it.
But how strong is Hulk?
He lifted a star.
How heavy was this star?
Hulk struggled to lift it, so it must be heavy.
But how strong is Hulk?
Etc etc.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Apparently a guy who can output power surpassing the combined energy of Silver Surfer's power cosmic, Namor's strength and classic Doctor Strange's magic, or exerting so much force that a cosmic entity struggled to contain, breaking through barriers Kang's technology couldn't break through, pulling together separating tectonic plates while weakened, overcoming telekinetic repulsion strong enough to literally repel the barrier of reality, throwing a thumb sized gem into the core of a planet, or overcome his own strength redirected at him, and has a powerset that allows him to continuously exert his strength can't possess the strength to do that? Well you're unbiased
And I still don't get what you guys get out of making pointless spats with Carver
White Knighting without seeing the point?
Also dunno how this argument turned out this way. Nor do I care much.
Originally posted by carver9
It was said to be a sun. I'm sure everyone here knows what a SUN is. It isn't your average star.
It just means it has planets orbiting it.
Says nothing much about its size. You can have stars MUCH much larger than our Sun, after all.
IOW, yet more idiocy.
Originally posted by carver9
Yeah...I was gone. Can't believe I wrote that nonsense.
Drunk AGAIN? Damn.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Curious.. Other than Carvster, what is everyone's take on that scene?
PM scene? Weight of a star held Hulk down.
How large was this star? THAT's the question that needs to be answered. According to carver, that star would be the largest one in the universe, if he has his way.
OR, it could be the weight of a small star. Point is, we do not know. Hyperbole? Or just a questionable feat? Either way, surely Hulk has more and better feats, right?
Helping DS.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It just means it has planets orbiting it.Says nothing much about its size. You can have stars MUCH much larger than our Sun, after all.
IOW, yet more idiocy.
Drunk AGAIN? Damn.
PM scene? Weight of a star held Hulk down.
How large was this star? THAT's the question that needs to be answered. According to carver, that star would be the largest one in the universe, if he has his way.
OR, it could be the weight of a small star. Point is, we do not know. Hyperbole? Or just a questionable feat? Either way, surely Hulk has more and better feats, right?
Originally posted by carver9
Sigh...I have him on ignore for a reason. I guess I have to place a hand full of peeps on ignore just to get away from dark.Also, Batman brain was supported a city. 🙂
The difference between the word star and the word sun is that a sun has planets that orbits them. A star...
You FEEEEEAR HIMMMMMMM. 😠
Originally posted by carver9
Sigh...I have him on ignore for a reason. I guess I have to place a hand full of peeps on ignore just to get away from dark.Also, Batman brain was supported a city. 🙂
The difference between the word star and the word sun is that a sun has planets that orbits them. A star...
A star is much larger. A star/sun can be any size - especially in comics. Saying it is a sun means nothing for its size/mass. Basic astronomy.
I see carver once more is unable to comprehend matters.
NOBODY is saying Batman has stellar strength levels. This fallacy only occurs when using carver's own logic.
IF Hulk supported a star with its full mass, then Batman has also done so.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A star is much larger. A sun can be any size - especially in comics.I see carver once more is unable to comprehend matters.
NOBODY is saying Batman has stellar strength levels. This fallacy only occurs when using carver's own logic.
IF Hulk supported a star with its full mass, then Batman has also done so.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85PM scene? Weight of a star held Hulk down.
How large was this star? THAT's the question that needs to be answered. According to carver, that star would be the largest one in the universe, if he has his way.
OR, it could be the weight of a small star. Point is, we do not know. Hyperbole? Or just a questionable feat? Either way, surely Hulk has more and better feats, right?
After reexamining the scene, I started inching towards Carver's take. For one PM stated that it was "Forged from a sun trapped in distorted space-time. All at was it was a life giving new star, and also an all-consuming supernova."
Initially I dismissed it as somewhat of a hyperbole and that it was powerful weapon that held him in place. But the way the author described it gave some weight to what it may be capable of. Before that scene it had already done some nasty stuff like owning a powerful character in Spectrum. It started to destroy her in a subatomic level. Now on panel we have PM directly stating that the weight of a star is upon him. It's not like she said "infinite weight" or something unquantifiable. It's not unlike when Supes or Thor encounter increased localized gravity through some type of contraption so that can explain why the whole planet didn't fall off orbit with all that weight/mass.
And in regards to Bat's multiple suns, it's different in that Bats was never encumbered or shown to be encumbered with those mini suns at his disposal. It's not like Bruce was going "ughhh gotta attack DS even though the weight of multiple suns is in my arm". Here we have Hulk directly being affected and struggling against some force created by this weapon.
Now as to the actual size of the sun, I'm going to afford him the idea that it's a regular sun since that's what we do for other other characters in regards to feats.
In the end Carver has on panel evidence backing him. My bias was really to blame for M initial dismissal.
Added Delta to my ignore list but since he did quote Dark. The star that was on Hulk as stated here wasnt a small star. This pretty much tells us where Hickman was going with this. The sun was trapped inside of space time because it had the power to consume all.
Glad that argument is over. Now can we get back on topic since Hulk isnt in this thread and I can no longer see posts from both Darksaint and Delta (bye bye Felicia).
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Spear is very powerful. That much is evident. Not even going into all that weight stuff, I took it simply as a powerful weapon that held him down.After reexamining the scene, I started inching towards Carver's take. For one PM stated that it was "Forged from a sun trapped in distorted space-time. All at was it was a life giving new star, and also an all-consuming supernova."
Initially I dismissed it as somewhat of a hyperbole and that it was powerful weapon that held him in place. But the way the author described it gave some weight to what it may be capable of. Before that scene it had already done some nasty stuff like owning a powerful character in Spectrum. It started to destroy her in a subatomic level. Now on panel we have PM directly stating that the weight of a star is upon him. It's not like she said "infinite weight" or something unquantifiable. It's not unlike when Supes or Thor encounter increased localized gravity through some type of contraption so that can explain why the whole planet didn't fall off orbit with all that weight/mass.
And in regards to Bat's multiple suns, it's different in that Bats was never encumbered or shown to be encumbered with those mini suns at his disposal. It's not like Bruce was going "ughhh gotta attack DS even though the weight of multiple suns is in my arm". Here we have Hulk directly being affected and struggling against some force created by this weapon.
True.
So how strong is Hulk?
Answer: he held a star. He strong.
How heavy was the star?
Answer: heavy, because Hulk held it.
But how strong is Hulk, then?
Answer: strong enough to take a star on his back.
How heavy was this star?
Answer: Oh, very heavy. Even Hulk was struggling with it.
Etc etc.
NOBODY said that Bruce has stellar strength, btw. But the star IS unquantifiable.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True.So how strong is Hulk?
Answer: he held a star. He strong.How heavy was the star?
Answer: heavy, because Hulk held it.But how strong is Hulk, then?
Answer: strong enough to take a star on his back.How heavy was this star?
Answer: Oh, very heavy. Even Hulk was struggling with it.Etc etc.
The feat does not fall in the unquantifiable category if we take PM's word.
Another thing.. This is more durability feat than strength since he didn't do much. He was basically held in place.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I edited my post. I have no choice but to use an average sized sun whatever that is since we usually do that for other characters when it comes to feats of this magnitude. It would seem like I'm nitpicking.The feat does not fall in the unquantifiable category if we take PM's word.
Or Superman stalemating a machine with the energy output of sun against the moon.
Both are stronger than hulk by carver logic.
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