Originally posted by SquallXNo. Rick kept Negan imprisoned for the 2 years that followed 'All Out War'. During that time, Carl would frequently sneak to Negan's cell and chat with him about life and whatnot.
I haven't kept up with the comic, has Negan kidnapped Carl or something? And did Carl develop some kind of attachment to his kidnapper?
They never became friends, though. Despite all those convos, Carl still wanted to kill him.
Originally posted by Galan007
No. Rick kept Negan imprisoned for the 2 years that followed 'All Out War'. During that time, Carl would frequently sneak to Negan's cell and chat with him about life and whatnot.They never became friends, though. Despite all those convos, Carl still wanted to kill him.
Good to know. Who'll have being hilarious though if Carl grew attached to Negan.
^ That's where I thought Kirkman was going with the plot at first. Have Carl grow close to Negan, and then eventually set him free. Thankfully Carl made his feelings clear at the end of the issue, and thankfully that's not how Negan's escape played out:
Tbh, Carl is actually quite likeable in the comics -- and he's getting there in the show. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
^ That's where I thought Kirkman was going with the plot at first. Have Carl grow close to Negan, and then eventually set him free. Thankfully Carl made his feelings clear at the end of the issue, and thankfully that's not how Negan's escape played out:Tbh, Carl is actually quite likeable in the comics -- and he's getting there in the show. 👆
I never really hated Carl in neither medium really. He was just a kid that was force to grow up way to early. He reminds of Connor from Angel tv show. Both of them got a lot of hate for no reason.
Originally posted by Galan007So Beta wants to incorporate Lydia back into The Whisperers:
😆 👆Sidenote:
I'm curious what Lydia will do when she finds out Alpha(her mother) has been killed? Remember, she still has no clue.Will Beta give her control of The Whisperers..? Will she try to kill Negan..? Should be interesting either way. mmm
However, she definitely does NOT want to go with them willingly:
Wanted to bump this after recent comic events (and what we know is about to happen next issue).
It appears the Whisperers are gonna be a clear winner vs the Hilltop and probably soon Alexandria.
I could see the Sanctuary doing quite well because of how their base is structured. Good vantage points etc.
Yeah, the Whisperers are surprisingly prepared for warfare -- they certainly know how to conquer, and appear to have fairly extensive training with various types of weaponry, etc. What ultimately made them so formidable, though, was sheer numbers.
Like Hilltop, Alexandria could very well be a pile of ash when all is said and done... Still not sure what will become of the new-Saviors. /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, the Whisperers are surprisingly prepared for warfare -- they certainly know how to conquer, and appear to have fairly extensive training with various types of weaponry, etc. What ultimately made them so formidable, though, was sheer numbers.Like Hilltop, Alexandria could very well be a pile of ash when all is said and done... Still not sure what will become of the new-Saviors. /shrug
Yeah, they seem to have a very strategic mindset. Look at how Beta was discussing the plans. It's good especially since Alpha died and then within a short while the plan to attack is carried out and is going very well.
You are right about numbers. Not only can they steer the zombies with them but they also seem to have more alive humans than a lot of the communities. And the training too. And that seemingly complete lack of empathy for anyone else (except from when they about to get a machete up the ass). Even if Alexandria, Hilltop, Sanctuary want to kill them they don't have the same reckless abandon. Only Negan could sort of fit that bill (only if he genuinely wanted to kill a certain person).
It's so weird
Spoiler:. Even if they did they'll find a load of as you described ash. Unless they're planning to snort it there can't be that much value in them.
to see how kind Sherry is the TV Show at the moment then you have her in the comic planning to take up the scraps of what is left
Originally posted by Galan007
I will be surprised if Negan is still alive after this event has wrapped up... But I imagine that IF he dies, he will definitely take Beta with him via a stabby-stab from the broken Lucille. 👆
I'd be sad if he died. He's pretty much made TWD. I feel like after Whisperer War everything is completely new. We have no idea what could happen. Who will be useful, dead etc.
For all we know Rick and Negan could both die then a new era begins. But even then is this just another Saviors vs Alexandria but with 2 different leaders.
It's also another thing that if Negan survives what does he do next. Everyone hates him in differing degrees.
Yeah, don't let the f-bombs fool you... Negan is, far and away, the best leader we have seen in TWD in terms of manipulating people to follow him and whatnot. Hell, even as a tactician he's quite brilliant -- we definitely saw this during AOW, and even moreso just prior to WW.
That's why Rick himself has gone to Negan for leadership advice on more than one occasion... That's also why Rick adamantly refused to EVER let him lead anyone:
*He knew that Negan would just manipulate them to his whims.
IF Negan survives this event, he will certainly take whatever 'throne' remains -- people not liking him won't change that, imo... And tbh, Rick deserves to be dethroned at this point. This entire war is his fault, and could have been prevented had he not attacked the Whisperers first. srsly
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, don't let the f-bombs fool you... Negan is, far and away, the best leader we have seen in TWD in terms of manipulating people to follow him and whatnot. Hell, even as a tactician he's quite brilliant -- we definitely saw this during AOW, and even moreso just prior to WW.That's why Rick himself has gone to Negan for leadership advice on more than one occasion... That's also why Rick adamantly refused to EVER let him lead anyone:
*He knew that Negan would just manipulate them to his whims.
IF Negan survives this event, he will certainly take whatever 'throne' remains -- people not liking him won't change that, imo... And tbh, Rick deserves to be dethroned at this point -- this entire war is his fault, and could have been prevented had he not attacked the Whisperers first. srsly
Yeah contrary to the show comic Rick has become quite an arsehole. In the TV show he doesn't seem to be this way. Which is something I've actually really liked a lot. They changed his character quite a bit, I am glad about him keeping his hands and him being more positive and not grumpy.
It's actually quite funny sometimes seeing how much of a dick he is. To bring up the show if Rick was that broken at what Negan did imagine how he will react to the heads on spikes as a border. His head will explode.
Definitely agree about Negan and him being a good strategist. Just his face when he's looking at Rick shows he knows what that's about. In certain ways Negan plays a role like Ezekiel. Not in the exact same way but he's very manipulative. The characters will never know it but we can see. Like the way (to bring up the show). When he gives someone the bat and people say well why haven't they killed him. Because the way he does the punishment of not killing the assailant but someone else. Makes them all feel guilty. (all of which applies to the comic too)
And the whole people not liking him thing was shown with the Savior's. I don't think many of them liked him but he kept them all right around the "round table" so to speak. They know despite what they thought of him he knew how to look after them and how to "shut that shit down".
