The OFFICIAL 'Is there more than one Matrix?' thread

the ppl are gonna see it anyway...they just see it a few more times if its confusing.

Yes, but what i am saying is that not all people like to have to think ( UNLIKE U, KES, I, AND ALL THE PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM) and if they are confused they may be frustrated and no one wants to be frustrated. do they leia? (YOUR MAJESTY)

YAY IVE BECOME A FORUM JUNKIE !!!!!
how much does it take to be a chouncellor (did i spell that right?)

Originally posted by Kes
Well since you know so much! Oh its actually 5times.This is the 6th! And he didn't create Zion he allowed the one to take the people he needed to rebuild Zion.

Interestingly enough there seems to be another ambiguity, right there! 😉 The encounter with "The One" and the Architect has happened AT LEAST 3 times before and AT MOST 5 times before. The way the architect spoke could be understood to mean there were actually 2 Matrix versions before this whole cycle with the one. The first Matrix which was a "...monumental failure" and the 2nd Matrix modelled on "...human history" which still failed. The Zion solution to the problem (allowing Zion to exist ) came up after the Oracle "...stumbled upon a solution" which would mean it came up in the 3rd Matrix version (out of 5) or in the 3rd (out of 7).
I just love convoluted plots,...don't you? 😄

There is enough material in this topic to have a thread of it's own!

Originally posted by Celsius
YAY IVE BECOME A FORUM JUNKIE !!!!!
how much does it take to be a chouncellor (did i spell that right?)

i got excited when i got to be a junkie too 😄
just a bit depressing whe you think about it 🙁

Originally posted by In_cite
Interestingly enough there seems to be another ambiguity, right there! 😉 The encounter with "The One" and the Architect has happened AT LEAST 3 times before and AT MOST 5 times before. The way the architect spoke could be understood to mean there were actually 2 Matrix versions before this whole cycle with the one. The first Matrix which was a "...monumental failure" and the 2nd Matrix modelled on "...human history" which still failed. The Zion solution to the problem (allowing Zion to exist ) came up after the Oracle "...stumbled upon a solution" which would mean it came up in the 3rd Matrix version (out of 5) or in the 3rd (out of 7).
I just love convoluted plots,...don't you? 😄

There is enough material in this topic to have a thread of it's own!

Nah. The 1st one failed (to perfect) the 2nd one was modeled after human history(wars, death, bla) still not quite good so oracle finds choise architect incorporates it and voilá! the current matrix.the glitch came with the choice. nd since the french dude meet the other ones i'm assuming the architect did to. actually he had to cause otherwise the matrix would not have been reloaded. i just dont get it why you guys keep bringing zion into the mix.
its real! 🙂

taking a while to quote there in cite

Originally posted by Kes
Nah. The 1st one failed (to perfect) the 2nd one was modeled after human history(wars, death, bla) still not quite good so oracle finds choise architect incorporates it and voilá! the current matrix.the glitch came with the choice. nd since the french dude meet the other ones i'm assuming the architect did to. actually he had to cause otherwise the matrix would not have been reloaded. i just dont get it why you guys keep bringing zion into the mix.
its real! 🙂

5 prior Matrix versions
3 prior "The ones"

However, there could also be the following:

7 prior Matrix versions
5 prior "The ones"

or

5 prior Matrix versions
5 prior "The ones"

and in these I have not even included the extra permutations that occur when you consider if Zion existed from the beginning or not. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER ZION IS REAL OR NOT! 🙂 It's more to do with when there started to be a Zion albeit this may be tied to what the purpose of Zion is and thus it's authenticity or not. The scenarios I generated are not random. They each have "plausible arguments" within the exhisting framework of the movies. 😄

ah finally i get a kick out of reading a well thought out response 🙂

Originally posted by In_cite

5 prior Matrix versions
3 prior "The ones"

However, there could also be the following:

7 prior Matrix versions
5 prior "The ones"

or

5 prior Matrix versions
5 prior "The ones"

The architect says there have been 5 the ones (neo not included).

Originally posted by Kes
The architect says there have been 5 the ones (neo not included).

there were 5 prior matrixes an 5 (anomalies) thatss it. right?

Originally posted by In_cite
...Then your theory of the glitch ("The One"😉 happening in the 3rd Matrix cannot hold since, if you have assumed 5 prior Matrix versions, there would have been only 3 prior "The Ones". That's why I said earlier that there seems to be a subtle ambiguity, right there, in the plot of the movies! 😄

what the f*** are you talking about!
there is a The One for every reload. 5 times this Matrix as been reloaded.

i wonder haw it can keep happening. (somany skrew ups) the architect is a dorcus.

sorry 2 b off subject. leia can u pleeese tell how u got that pic of trin under ur tag. 🙁 i want a pic aswell. pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaassssseeeeeee

Originally posted by Kes
what the f*** are you talking about!
there is a The One for every reload. 5 times this Matrix as been reloaded.

wasnt choice introduced in the second version?

Originally posted by Celsius
there were 5 prior matrixes an 5 (anomalies) thatss it. right?

This is all working on the assumption that the One did not also appear in the early failed versions. Why wouldn't he? The circumstances that lead to his creation would still be there. Anomalies would still result.

However, this is getting into a seperate topic. Let us keep this on track still.