The OFFICIAL 'Is there more than one Matrix?' thread

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Partly in contact with the Source how- I guess we shall find out. Open a thread about it. Discuss it. But it is a FACT.

Why? Because you saw it in a game?
Come on.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
And of COURSE the mind is a detachable concept; if it were purely biological then one could not be affected in the virtual world by what happens in the real. In the virtual world your mind becomes part of the code of the Matrix, later to return to your body.[/B]

Ummmm, didn't you mean that the other way around? If it were purely biological you wouldn't be affected in the real world by what happens in the virtual world? (i.e. you wouldnt really die if you died in the Matrix) Maybe I'm reading that wrong.

Originally posted by Ushgarak Feel free to think it all sucks if you want, that is your right, but all I am saying is that Neo's mind has split from his body and this is almost certainly going to form part of the explanation of it all. It sucksd CONSIDERABLY less than Matrix-within-Matrix lameness. [/B]

If you say so, but for now we'll have to agree to disagree. I prefer there to be an explanation for Neo's newfound "power", and it's not that he just "magically" developed it.

Because I saw it in a game- in a filmed scene with film actors written by the brothers who say it is canonical fact, and is the concept behind which the game was created. VERY simple. It is how it is.

I guess you were reading it wrong- I did indeed say that if it were purely biological it would not be affected by mere sensory input from the Matrix.

is it possible that neo isn't human? Perhaps he is a machine-perhaps he created the matrix, and then programmed himself to forget evrything, which is why the oracle and architect have said his choices have already been made. However, the re-written neo is defying his programming. His being a machine would also explain his connection to the other machines.

The idea of Neo being part-machine or part programme and so on is not impossible but raises awkward questions in of itself.

i know it's a complicated theory, but it's something that you wouldn't generally think about. The wachowski's have said all along they didn't want to reveal too much, so the ending of reloaded could have been a diversion from the truth

Could have been, yes. And I at no point am stating any certainties beyond those things we have been told.

I saw the ETM trailer i heard trinity asking someone to gave her neo and she said that she is already to die for him

I understood that there are six matrix, one inside the other:

There is the real world, where humans developed machines with AI, and those machines took over the world, puting the humans inside the matrix(Matrix1). Inside the virtual world created by Matrix1, the humans create machines with AI, that took over the virtual world, and put the humans inside another matrix (Matrix2). It has already happened six times. The world where we see Zion in the movie is the Matrix5, and the world they fight and the agents live is the Matrix6.
Matrix6 is inside Matrix5, and 5 is inside 4... etc..
The arquitect said the war lasts more than the humans imagine. Actually the war began with the creation of Matrix1, where the free humans built the first Zion, and this Zion was destroyed. Inside the first simulation, the Matrix1, when the humans were put in the Matrix2, Zion was built again... and so and so and so.. So what we see now is the 6th version of Zion. The arquitect said the machines have already destroyed Zion 5 times.
It all fits perfectly with my understanding, i hope you can understand me, since my english is pretty poor and my text isn't so good...

well put zlotz

Originally posted by ZlotZ
I understood that there are six matrix, one inside the other:

There is the real world, where humans developed machines with AI, and those machines took over the world, puting the humans inside the matrix(Matrix1). Inside the virtual world created by Matrix1, the humans create machines with AI, that took over the virtual world, and put the humans inside another matrix (Matrix2). It has already happened six times. The world where we see Zion in the movie is the Matrix5, and the world they fight and the agents live is the Matrix6.
Matrix6 is inside Matrix5, and 5 is inside 4... etc..
...

This part is kinda confusing. Are you saying Zion isn't the real world?That it is still the matrix therefore explaining how neo, if it was him and not the hammer, stoped the machines? 😕

Ushgarak,

Which makes more sense?

1. A person having special powers in a dream-world (The Matrix).

2. A person having special powers in the real world.

Obviously if you choose #1, then Zion must be another part of The Matrix. If you choose #2, then #1 really isnt all that important.

Note: I think there may be some confusion as to the points I've been trying to make. I don't believe that Zion is a separate Matrix, I believe there is only 1 Matrix, but with different levels. Therefore, when you really "wake up" it is from all the levels at once.
However, I gave this topic some consideration over the weekend, and realized that I may be unecessarily over-complicating things.

It would just be so much more simple and easier to understand if only that damn scene with Neo destroying the sentinels didn't exist.

No point trying to prioritise it like that. Point is there are MANY things which screw up the idea of the real world being a Matrix and so that being the reason for what Neo did becomes less desirable. These many things have already been muchly discussed.

And no matter how you look at it there is still more than one Matrix in that theory- a simulated Matrix within a Matrix. We understand what you say just fine; it comes under the same heading.

Originally posted by Tomkat

It would just be so much more simple and easier to understand if only that damn scene with Neo destroying the sentinels didn't exist.

You cant be sure it was Neo. It could have been the Hammer. 😉

That would be a much better explanation to than Neo now having "special powers" outside the Matrix.

Originally posted by ZlotZ
I understood that there are six matrix, one inside the other:

There is the real world, where humans developed machines with AI, and those machines took over the world, puting the humans inside the matrix(Matrix1). Inside the virtual world created by Matrix1, the humans create machines with AI, that took over the virtual world, and put the humans inside another matrix (Matrix2). It has already happened six times. The world where we see Zion in the movie is the Matrix5, and the world they fight and the agents live is the Matrix6.
Matrix6 is inside Matrix5, and 5 is inside 4... etc..
The arquitect said the war lasts more than the humans imagine. Actually the war began with the creation of Matrix1, where the free humans built the first Zion, and this Zion was destroyed. Inside the first simulation, the Matrix1, when the humans were put in the Matrix2, Zion was built again... and so and so and so.. So what we see now is the 6th version of Zion. The arquitect said the machines have already destroyed Zion 5 times.
It all fits perfectly with my understanding, i hope you can understand me, since my english is pretty poor and my text isn't so good...

this is exactly what i thought, but i don't see how neo can destroy all 6 matrix's in one film. have you seen the animatrix, where in 'kid's story' it tells of the boy who keeps following neo around in reloaded. he freed himself from the matrix, so i think it is him who could escape matrix 5, and then so on...

I don't think they will be released of all the 6 matrix... I believe the 3rd movie will end with the end of the war in matrix 5 and the destruction of matrix 6, and they will somehow realize they're still in a virtual world (there'll be and explanation about the 6 matrix, one inside the other) and then the movie ends.
Great ending. You would be stuck in the cinema's chair thinking for at least five minutes after the movie ends.

Hi guys,
I've read all the threads concerning the number of matrixes. M6 in M5 in M4 and so on.
Everything was interesting even if sometimes I disagreed.
But here is another point of view.
I'm sure you all bought M1 DVD and saw all M1 bonus.
So, you all know what is said in 'The Matrix Revisited' documentary.

Remember that the guy clearly says that for M1 they choosed the green color for the Matrix Universe and the blue color for the real world.
The choice was made to make the diffference between a sophisiticated, cold computer designed world and the real human world.

So, for me, there is simply one matrix because I think that, by this simple color difference, the 2 Bros, announced it from the beginning.

And much more, I find that Neo's having new powers on the machines in the real world is a much more powerful, from a screenplay point of view, than simply having other powers in another matrix.

Have fun reading this. Waiting for your posts.

Originally posted by Tomkat
That would be a much better explanation to than Neo now having "special powers" outside the Matrix.

Nope. Neo still says 'something has changed' and 'I can feel them'.

Which obviously has nothing to do with the Hammer.

Indeedy.

Originally posted by Tuur
Nope. Neo still says 'something has changed' and 'I can feel them'.

Which obviously has nothing to do with the Hammer.

Yeah, I thought of that awhile after I posted. But still, I hope there's no "Real-World Super-Neo."