Kylo Ren vs. Khan

Started by Nai15 pages
Originally posted by quanchi112
Truth hurts, doesn't it ?

Since you didn't post a "truth" but just attempted to rationalize your lack of ability to answer them...


It isn't the idea of the battlezone it's the fact you're confident enough you'll let other judge your debate. You're scared. You're insecure. It's very easy to see right through you.

My dear Quanchimon. Did it ever occur to you, that with every posting you make here, you let other people judge the content of said posting? The only difference in a battlezone is, that you limit the circle of persons that cast judgement. So in that regard, you actually need to be more confident to post outside a battlezone, where everybody can judge you.


I am saying the trek mini ships are obviously faster than the tiny asteroids.

And where is the point, when you mention that as answer to a weapon that wipes out large portions of an asteroid field, destroying everything in the path of the blast it produces?


at one point you had three destroyers and multiple tie fighters unable to bring in one non war ship. That's pathetic. If I went the rebels route along with the films It definitely highlights their ineptitude. I mean come on.

Are you talking about the Millenium Falcon charging a Star Destroyer, which was Han's insane piloting skills at work and was something completely unexpected (evident from the reaction of the crew)? What does that say about the abilities of a Star Detroyer to lock on / destroy ships that are bigger than the Falcon and far less manouverable? Nothing.


You're ignoring the context of the scene. Nero knew what was on the table and at stake. They desperately acted and had only moments to stop the jellyfish. Out of nowhere comes the enterprise to aid the jellyfish in making contact with the Narada. In direct combat without the threat of a black hole the Narada smashed through Federation ships with the greatest of ease.

It smashed through Federation ships who had their shields down and weren't expecting any kind of confrontation. Which wouldn't be the case if the Narada was going up against SW vessels in a speculative fight. Furthermore, it likewise doesn't change anything about the speed of the Narrada's torpedos, nor does it make them less interceptable. So thanks, once again, for the red herring.


I do realize you're posting in multiple threads because you are emotionally invested while you keep insisting you aren't. My analogy fit you perfectly.

I'm not emotionally invested, Quanchi. I'm just entertaining myself.


Khan's gun fires quicker successive blasts and his other one fires more powerful blasts than Rey's. His skill with his guns is loads better than Rey as well. This matters.

Urm. Since I just rewatched "The Force Awakens", Quanchimon: No. Khan doesn't fire faster than Rey. That his other gun does more damage is correct - but that also requires a lot more time to aim. And Khan's skill with a gun is pretty much useless against an opponent who can accurately predict where he shoots and counter those shots.


Kylo still was against Finn who wasn't trained and was a sanitation trooper who got his ass kicked by another random trooper. Rey and Finn were also upset at Han's loss. Rey was also just ko'd so she was hurt as well.

Kylo was still toying with Finn, which is apparent from the fact that once Finn luckily his his heavily injured opponent, he is instantly disarmed and removed from the scene with a lightsaber strike on his back.

And it's nice that you mentioned that Rey was also just ko'd. Correct. By Kylo force pushing her against a tree in a rather impressive arch, because she tried to raise her weapon to fire at him. And there we have the example that puts your fanboy delusions to rest. Khan tries to aim - receives a force push right into his face and gets killed. End of debate.

Chewie hit him with one shot. There goes your moronic theory.

Chewie hit him, while he was totally not focus on combat. And apparently he still manages to absorb some of that blast with the Force, given that all other people being hit by it do get instantly killed (even through armor) and thrown backwards, where Kylo remains alive and on his feet.

He didn't freeze multiple shots though he deflected them. You need to prove he can maintain the concentration so freeze multiple shots.

Actually, it would be your task to prove that Khan would even get multiple shots off, where evidence suggests that Kylo might own him with the Force before he fires even once (see Kylo vs Rey) or at least after the first shot is fired (Kylo vs Poe). Good luck.

Originally posted by Nai
Since you didn't post a "truth" but just attempted to rationalize your lack of ability to answer them...

My dear Quanchimon. Did it ever occur to you, that with every posting you make here, you let other people judge the content of said posting? The only difference in a battlezone is, that you limit the circle of persons that cast judgement. So in that regard, you actually need to be more confident to post outside a battlezone, where everybody can judge you.

And where is the point, when you mention that as answer to a weapon that wipes out large portions of an asteroid field, destroying everything in the path of the blast it produces?

Are you talking about the Millenium Falcon charging a Star Destroyer, which was Han's insane piloting skills at work and was something completely unexpected (evident from the reaction of the crew)? What does that say about the abilities of a Star Detroyer to lock on / destroy ships that are bigger than the Falcon and far less manouverable? Nothing.

It smashed through Federation ships who had their shields down and weren't expecting any kind of confrontation. Which wouldn't be the case if the Narada was going up against SW vessels in a speculative fight. Furthermore, it likewise doesn't change anything about the speed of the Narrada's torpedos, nor does it make them less interceptable. So thanks, once again, for the red herring.

I'm not emotionally invested, Quanchi. I'm just entertaining myself.

Urm. Since I just rewatched "The Force Awakens", Quanchimon: No. Khan doesn't fire faster than Rey. That his other gun does more damage is correct - but that also requires a lot more time to aim. And Khan's skill with a gun is pretty much useless against an opponent who can accurately predict where he shoots and counter those shots.

Kylo was still toying with Finn, which is apparent from the fact that once Finn luckily his his heavily injured opponent, he is instantly disarmed and removed from the scene with a lightsaber strike on his back.

And it's nice that you mentioned that Rey was also just ko'd. Correct. By Kylo force pushing her against a tree in a rather impressive arch, because she tried to raise her weapon to fire at him. And there we have the example that puts your fanboy delusions to rest. Khan tries to aim - receives a force push right into his face and gets killed. End of debate.

Chewie hit him, while he was totally not focus on combat. And apparently he still manages to absorb some of that blast with the Force, given that all other people being hit by it do get instantly killed (even through armor) and thrown backwards, where Kylo remains alive and on his feet.

Actually, it would be your task to prove that Khan would even get multiple shots off, where evidence suggests that Kylo might own him with the Force before he fires even once (see Kylo vs Rey) or at least after the first shot is fired (Kylo vs Poe). Good luck.

Nah.

I don't care I care about the battlezone of my choice. You do as well since you continue to post about why you won't do it just aimlessly flaying your arms with various excuses.

The asteroids weren't attacking him and these ships will be. Only you would pound your chest at watch this ship destroy these asteroids. 😂

Did it destroy the other ship ? 😂

Han Solo is usually trying to repair the ship mid flight while all this is going on so no he isn't even at the helm the entire time. Try again. This just highlights their ineptitude. Imagine four thousand ships and a few federation ships if one ship gives them this much trouble while the ace pilot is busy trying to fix that piece of shit.

It fought multiple ships with the shields up. What film were you watching ? It greatly diminished the shields in a single volley of attacks. Your ignorance is truly something to behold. You skew facts left and right to sell that train wreck of an argument you have and I haven't even posted links. 😂

Sure you aren't. Laughs while you follow me into multiple threads telling me you don't care with tears streaming down your pimple ridden face.

Yes, it does and I've seen it three times. once the clips become available on YouTube I can prove it.

Finn still injured him so your opinion that it's luck doesn't change the fact it occurred. It's piss poor judgment as he got hurt by someone of that skill with a saber.

So despite a force push not killing a woman into a tree which is the reason she was ko'd not the force push itself somehow kills a guy with superhuman cellular regeneration that can tank 8 stun blasts after a knock down drag out fight and still not going down. Your desperation makes me chuckle.

He wasn't focused on combat by Poe either but you don't hesitate to reference that showing. Fair game. The force you dummy and precognition.

Depends on where it hits him like any other attack you dummy. No proof the force absorbed it just more baseless claims from a shitty debater.

Khan fires multiple blasts in multiple scenes. Rey also fires multiple blasts against Ren. There ya go. You also conceded the point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying he hasn't so the facts support me.

So IOW you don't have shit, good to know

Originally posted by StealthRanger
So IOW you don't have shit, good to know
You are the one with no evidence to back your claim.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't care I care about the battlezone of my choice. You do as well since you continue to post about why you won't do it just aimlessly flaying your arms with various excuses.

I actually still post about you not wanting to do an alternative battlezone now, Quanchimon. Hard to grasp intention, when one is an imbicile, isn't it?


The asteroids weren't attacking him and these ships will be. Only you would pound your chest at watch this ship destroy these asteroids. 😂

Did it destroy the other ship ? 😂

The only "attack" I've seen so far was flying through a larger and less manouverable ship. Wonder what good that would do.

Han Solo is usually trying to repair the ship mid flight while all this is going on so no he isn't even at the helm the entire time. Try again. This just highlights their ineptitude. Imagine four thousand ships and a few federation ships if one ship gives them this much trouble while the ace pilot is busy trying to fix that piece of shit.

Red herring. The scene you were referring to has Han at the helm.
Also: Are they going to pursue the ST ships and have them change course to attack all over a sudden, or did you just want to express your thought about a non-applicable situation once again. It gets boring.


It fought multiple ships with the shields up. What film were you watching ? It greatly diminished the shields in a single volley of attacks. Your ignorance is truly something to behold. You skew facts left and right to sell that train wreck of an argument you have and I haven't even posted links. 😂

Once more: The multiple ships it destroyed were probably coming out of warp without shields up, given that Kirk has to convince people to prepare for a combat situation when closing on to Vulcan.


Sure you aren't. Laughs while you follow me into multiple threads telling me you don't care with tears streaming down your pimple ridden face.

Right. Tears. Because I'm laughing so hard at your delusions of grandeur. Seriously. There are few things more entertaining than people who take debating on the internet seriously. 👆


Yes, it does and I've seen it three times. once the clips become available on YouTube I can prove it.

You've seen what three times?

Finn still injured him so your opinion that it's luck doesn't change the fact it occurred. It's piss poor judgment as he got hurt by someone of that skill with a saber.

Is Khan going to come at an injured Kylo using a lightsaber? No?
So thanks for another red herring. Moving on.


So despite a force push not killing a woman into a tree which is the reason she was ko'd not the force push itself somehow kills a guy with superhuman cellular regeneration that can tank 8 stun blasts after a knock down drag out fight and still not going down. Your desperation makes me chuckle.

Actually, Quanchimon, that instance just serves to illustrate that Kylo can and will use Force attacks before somebody fires at him. Which was an assinine "argument" of yourself anyway, because you still haven't worked around Khan's inability to defend himself against the Force. Pathetic.

He wasn't focused on combat by Poe either but you don't hesitate to reference that showing. Fair game. The force you dummy and precognition.


Depends on where it hits him like any other attack you dummy. No proof the force absorbed it just more baseless claims from a shitty debater.

Right.
A gun that is seen generating explosions, instantly killing armored enemies and throwing amored enemies around like ragdolls hits a guy. The guy is neither killed nor thrown back. Reason, Quanchimon?


Khan fires multiple blasts in multiple scenes.

On Force users? While being attacked with the Force? I need to see that movie.

Rey also fires multiple blasts against Ren. There ya go. You also conceded the point.

Rey also hits him about as often with them as Khan would do. There ya go.

And you already realized that Khan has no chance and hence resort to bogus long ago. Why not quit? Now what. Beat it. I'm back at home with more sources for cheap entertainment. No need for you any longer, Clownchi. Have a nice life, nobody.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are the one with no evidence to back your claim.

"Unless Kylo's shown freezing a person before he fires a weapon doesn't mean he can't"

You're so awful at this quanchi

Originally posted by Nai
I actually still post about you not wanting to do an alternative battlezone now, Quanchimon. Hard to grasp intention, when one is an imbicile, isn't it?

The only "attack" I've seen so far was flying through a larger and less manouverable ship. Wonder what good that would do.

Red herring. The scene you were referring to has Han at the helm.
Also: Are they going to pursue the ST ships and have them change course to attack all over a sudden, or did you just want to express your thought about a non-applicable situation once again. It gets boring.

Once more: The multiple ships it destroyed were probably coming out of warp without shields up, given that Kirk has to convince people to prepare for a combat situation when closing on to Vulcan.

Right. Tears. Because I'm laughing so hard at your delusions of grandeur. Seriously. There are few things more entertaining than people who take debating on the internet seriously. 👆

You've seen what three times?

Is Khan going to come at an injured Kylo using a lightsaber? No?
So thanks for another red herring. Moving on.

Actually, Quanchimon, that instance just serves to illustrate that Kylo can and will use Force attacks before somebody fires at him. Which was an assinine "argument" of yourself anyway, because you still haven't worked around Khan's inability to defend himself against the Force. Pathetic.

He wasn't focused on combat by Poe either but you don't hesitate to reference that showing. Fair game. The force you dummy and precognition.

Right.
A gun that is seen generating explosions, instantly killing armored enemies and throwing amored enemies around like ragdolls hits a guy. The guy is neither killed nor thrown back. Reason, Quanchimon?

On Force users? While being attacked with the Force? I need to see that movie.

Rey also hits him about as often with them as Khan would do. There ya go.

And you already realized that Khan has no chance and hence resort to bogus long ago. Why not quit? Now what. Beat it. I'm back at home with more sources for cheap entertainment. No need for you any longer, Clownchi. Have a nice life, nobody.

I have never expressed an interest but you begging for one is indeed amusing.

So it doesn't destroy one ship and just asteroids but you claim it'll wreck trek ships left and right. Baseless claims 101.

That isn't a red herring that's the context in the entire scene. His expertise flying skills aren't even necessary the entire time. He can run off and ***** about his shitty ship looking for parts and still manage to outmaneuver multiple tie fighters and multiple star destroyers.
😂

Multiple trek ships will definitely fly around and blast it. If the Millenium falcon can make all of these imperial ships look incompetent you're in trouble. They won't be busy repairing their ships in combat either. It isn't even a warship.

The shields were still up. We hear them comment on the status of the shields right after the first volley of attacks. Watch the movie you ignorant child. What logical decision would be to go into an unknown situation with the shields down. We also see the enterprise see the debris of what the Narada did to the other opposition. Your Star Trek ignorance is appalling. Maybe you need a tear to prepare a legitimate debate and not just ignorant lies. Krik also convinced them and Spock agreed.

😂

Force awakens.

That only further illustrates my point as an injury should make him more dangerous not more moronic. You yourself said despite being injured he toyed with an opponent who injured his shoulder.

Khan shoots three blasts into him. If he freezes the first the next two kill him. I have proof of him attacking multiple Klingons with multiple shots. If you can't prove he can block three separate phasers then you he dies.

It hit him in the side and knocking people back isn't that impressive. Khan has done so with kicks. It wasn't a critical wound. Kylo gets hurt just the same by a lightsaber. He isn't any more durable than anyone else.

Precognition didn't help him against Finns strike or Rey crushing him. That's evidence.

Jango has killed a force user. Jango uses a less powerful blaster as well.

Khan hasn't killed s force user because they don't exist in Trek. In their own universe they are so damn rare they are a myth. 😂

Rey doesn't possess Khan's skill or weaponry. The point to be gleaned here is that he let her shoot at him thus he will try to deflect Khan's blasts.

So you announce your cowardly exit. Perfect. I decimate your points and you run for cover.

Victory is Khan's.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is out of character as he's never once done so.

He used it as soon as he knew Poe was there.

Originally posted by juggerman
He used it as soon as he knew Poe was there.
After he was shot at not before.

🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
After he was shot at not before.

🙂

As soon as he knew he was there 👆

Originally posted by juggerman
As soon as he knew he was there 👆

Only The Troll would lowball Ren stopping a surprise shot.

Originally posted by juggerman
As soon as he knew he was there 👆
After he fired not before. He didn't force freeze Rey as soon as he knew she was there.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Only The Troll would lowball Ren stopping a surprise shot.
I didn't lowball anything the fact is he has never froze frozen anyone prior to getting a shot off against him. Finn also tagged him and he was a sanitation trooper.

Why cat Kylo freeze him and his shots fired?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Why cat Kylo freeze him and his shots fired?
He has never shown the ability to freeze multiple shots. Just one.

I have to ask why do people keep holding up the Finn and Ren fight against Kylo?

After rewatching the fight scene it is pretty clear that Ren is just toying with Finn the entire time and easily bests him.

Yes Finn landed a superficial wound on a wounded Ren. What happened next. Ren quickly disarms Finn without problems.

and then proceeds to lose to an absolute noob with a saber in direct saber combat... yeah... it's a low showing

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
and then proceeds to lose to an absolute noob with a saber in direct saber combat... yeah... it's a low showing
Rey vs Ren is different than Finn vs Ren though.

Ren clearly was playing with Finn and easily disarmed him when he wanted to.

Also I'm not entirely sure Rey is some noob with a saber. I have a strong feeling she has had prior training. To be fair though I can not confirm this theory. Still she was a noob with a saber that also happened to be a formidable melee combatant vs an injured and emotionally erratic Kylo. I wouldn't exactly call it the fairest assessment of his skills.

Originally posted by quanchi112
After he fired not before. He didn't force freeze Rey as soon as he knew she was there.

What he chose to do against Rey has no bearing on what he chose to do with Poe. He showed he can and did use the freeze as soon as he was aware of an opponent

Originally posted by juggerman
What he chose to do against Rey has no bearing on what he chose to do with Poe. He showed he can and did use the freeze as soon as he was aware of an opponent
Both are facts. Poe clearly fired first as did Rey. Chewie also shot first so the evidence supports my conclusion. After the opponent fired not before in all cases. Rey fired multiple times and he was aware of her for over five seconds.