Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Not only did you underestimate how long it takes you to write a single post,
I have a clock. Estimation is not required.
you also failed to recognize you spent time on a previous post just before that one, separate from your original reply to me. Now with at least 6-7 minutes gone, you still have failed,
If I'd watched your second video, that'd mean I'd have spent over twice that, 14 minutes.
Are you seriously trying to argue that my time management is a problem when you can't be bothered to write out your own argument?
No matter how much time I spend writing, there remains the factor that, one, I enjoy writing, and two, a 7 minute video doesn't replace any time I spend writing, it simply goes on top of anything.
You can't go into a conversation with the idea that you're entitled to have the other person do all the work in finding your argument while you avoid spending any time on it. It just doesn't work.
It's not like I didn't already give you a HUGE concession by knocking the submission down from a full length video to something less than 10% of the whole, a ridiculously shafted summary by almost any measure.
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The original one was 10% as long? I.e. you were getting annoyed at people for not watching an hour long video with no summary or intel on where the best parts are?
Look, it's a discussion, people don't owe you time. You get time by posting interesting arguments.
If I tell you to watch a 3 hour movie, and then knock it down to half an hour, that doesn't make me generous nor does it mean you have a free half hour.
I understand why these kinds of discussions fail now. I could understand you rejecting someone saying "I'm going to hold to what I believe regardless of what you present to me". I could understand you reacting this way if someone cursed you out. I could even understand if you simply balked at the time the original submission would take to review.I cannot understand why you would refuse a 5 minute clip.
Because 5 minutes is a time when I can do a fair amount of stuff, and it's a one-way time commitment, you're not devoting time to your argument, you're just demanding my time.
This is a discussion, anyone can quit at any time for any reason. If I post a link and it's 10 pages, then you don't have to read through the whole thing. Heck, that's why when I post links, I also post descriptions on what's on the other side and often choice snippets, so people don't have to go through the whole thing.
I would have watched from sheer curiosity by now. Truthfully, I suspect you actually have at this point and are just being ornery.
Do you really watch every video linked to you? It doesn't even sound like an interesting video to me- in part, mind you, because you've said almost nothing about the contents, just asked me to watch
Again, Time-Immemorial on this forum gets annoyed at me for posting *single page* arguments and says they're too long. Which I find kinda pushing it considering it's a text based forum, but 5 minutes is a fair chunk of time for most people to sit around passively when they could be doing a lot more online.
Heck, consider Youtube ads. Do you watch every youtube ad without skipping? I almost always skip, and those are normally 30 seconds-a minute. And what you're telling me to watch is also an ad, just an ad for someone's point of view.
It seems more than anything, though, that, rather than get a proper understanding of the other person's point of view, you'd rather risk having them construct a straw man of sorts, one you can argue against without ever hearing the actual idea.
Whoa there, I'm repeatedly asking you for your words on what your argument is.
When you actually posted some words (on the importance of Saturn and how it's a day), I responded on-topic with information, which you, in turn, have not responded to. And I had to bug you in order to get you to say that much of your argument after you expressed nonspecific disagreement of mine.
The rest? Sure, it's guesses, but explicitly so, and still contains general information on the subject of planets and beliefs. I don't pretend to know your side, I can just lay down some knowledge and ask for usable info.
To put it another way, you're putting barriers up to me getting your argument. If you want me to argue your argument, stop trying to hide it.
And heck, on the time management front- in the time you've spent complaining about not watching a video, you could've just told me what you believe.
If you want people to listen to you, you need to speak to them, not put all the onus of research on them and then get annoyed when they don't want to spend that time. It's not that people are rejecting arguments because they disagree with them, it's that people are not even knowing about the arguments because it's rather inconvenient.