Terrorists Take Over Federal Building in Oregon

Him reaching into his pocket is one of the dumbest things ever though. So dumb that I hope it was just a nervous tick or something. Not that it changes anything, but it makes me believe in humanity a little more if I go with that. Hopefully he his hands were cold and he was like "Burr it's a real chilly bean with my hands in the air, better warm them up in this here pocket. Oh no I forgot I had my piece in there! Zoinks!"

Also it looks like he smashed into that other guy on the road. Which is likely where the injured dude came from in the report.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Him reaching into his pocket is one of the dumbest things ever though. So dumb that I hope it was just a nervous tick or something. Not that it changes anything, but it makes me believe in humanity a little more if I go with that.

Also it looks like he smashed into that other guy on the road. Which is likely where the injured dude came from in the report.

If there were a couple guys out there, then he clobbered that first guy hard.

Yeah it looked rough.

That whole thing was just silly.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Why was he reaching in his pocket?

He wasn't! He was a good boy, never hurt nobody. A gentle soul. Sooo...it's time to burn down the state of Oregon, I guess?

😂

He had his hands up before he reached for the gun!

Are you guys trying to draw parallels between this and the other police shooting threads?

Originally posted by Newjak
Are you guys trying to draw parallels between this and the other police shooting threads?

I suppose maybe you could compare? Since the people in the city, at least some of them, thought the dude had been shot down in cold blood. Yet I did not hear about people looting or burning down shit. Or maybe they have and I just haven't heard about it.

I suppose you could also compare it to certain other law enforcement shootings, given some..like this one, were justified. Though it seems the guy who did the shooting was FBI, not a cop. Which it just seems people don't care as much when an FBI agent is the one doing something. Sort of like how the entire country was upset when a cop tossed around a black teen in school, but we heard not a peep about the incident of an FBI agent physically pushing down, etc. a teen. Of course in that instance the teen was white so I can see why it didn't get as much coverage.

Originally posted by Surtur
I suppose maybe you could compare? Since the people in the city, at least some of them, thought the dude had been shot down in cold blood. Yet I did not hear about people looting or burning down shit. Or maybe they have and I just haven't heard about it.

I suppose you could also compare it to certain other law enforcement shootings, given some..like this one, were justified. Though it seems the guy who did the shooting was FBI, not a cop. Which it just seems people don't care as much when an FBI agent is the one doing something. Sort of like how the entire country was upset when a cop tossed around a black teen in school, but we heard not a peep about the incident of an FBI agent physically pushing down, etc. a teen. Of course in that instance the teen was white so I can see why it didn't get as much coverage.

For one the suspects were known to be armed. Two we had video evidence to see that the person who was known to be armed was acting sporadically and had already threatened officers with violence. Third they seemed to give the suspect ample time to comply.

In the case of police shooting black suspects there is not a statistical correlation of racial injustice in this instance as there are in those cases. In case people forgot that while the Ferguson Cop was not found guilty the investigation did note that there were numerous issues of racial injustice before that incident that increased stress in the community.

Like I said I hate police shootings but if one was going to be justified this is about one of the few cases I could see it being so. The others are in a much more grey area because of lack of video evidence and most of the shooting victims were unarmed.

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We got us a LIBERAL SWJ Convoy!!!!!!!!

Eye Witness within a few feet from the victim, Says the guy did not reach for his gun.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/02/us/witness-lavoy-finicum-killed-oregon/index.html

I think this girl is confused.

In the vid, his hands are up and then they go down to his front waist area; he happened to have a loaded gun there.

Not saying he for sure was going for his gun as I wasn't there, but it was a stupid move considering he was an armed criminal who had previously used threats of violence against the authorities.

I find the ordeal rather tragic. Seems to me like Bundy managed to convince his close friends and neighbors to undergo the siege, but slowly they became disillusioned. Bundys friend who died was probably one of the more passionate members of their cause, and upon realizing it's humiliating futility chose to commit suicide by cop, a tragic act that clearly shook Bundy, who I'm sure was hoping for the entire ordeal to be nonviolent. I definitely think at this point Bundy is deeply remorseful that he got his friend killed and other friends arrested and publicly humiliated over what is hindsight a rather petty cause.

It has been stated that anybody can withstand pain to themselves, but it is pain to their loved ones which is the most unbeatable torture. I'm sure Bundy believed in his cause, but I doubt he wanted any of his friends to pay the price, which is why he told them to disband. I can only picture him crying in his jail cell over his mistakes and the cost to his friends and I can't help but empathize with him.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I find the ordeal rather tragic. Seems to me like Bundy managed to convince his close friends and neighbors to undergo the siege, but slowly they became disillusioned. Bundys friend who died was probably one of the more passionate members of their cause, and upon realizing it's humiliating futility chose to commit suicide by cop, a tragic act that clearly shook Bundy, who I'm sure was hoping for the entire ordeal to be nonviolent. I definitely think at this point Bundy is deeply remorseful that he got his friend killed and other friends arrested and publicly humiliated over what is hindsight a rather petty cause.[

It has been stated that anybody can withstand pain to themselves, but it is pain to their loved ones which is the most unbeatable torture. I'm sure Bundy believed in his cause, but I doubt he wanted any of his friends to pay the price, which is why he told them to disband. I can only picture him crying in his jail cell over his mistakes and the cost to his friends and I can't help but empathize with him.

I don't think he got his friend killed. His friend got himself killed. Nobody forced anything. Also you seem to be trying to paint Bundy in a sympathetic way, but if he convinced his buddies to go take over some building while armed then he's hardly an angel. That doesn't sound like a guy who would then be weeping in his jail cell. It sounds like a manipulative d-bag who got his friends to do some stupid shit.

I also wouldn't exactly call their cause petty, just something that wasn't worth taking over a building while armed. The state f*cked up in a serious way. That needs to be remembered here as well.

So you can feel sorry for him if you want..I mostly feel sorry for the family of the guy who died. But not so much for the guy himself. If you play a stupid game you will get a stupid prize and these men played a stupid game.

The FBI is appaprently moving in / alt source

With livestream

It sounds like most- though not necessarily all, honestly I'm murky on the details- have agreed to turn themselves in.

They stayed after Bundy got arrested?

I just find it very disturbing that the U.S Goverment is using so much VIOLENCE to end this conflict.

This is the Obama Regime. Where is the dibplomacy and caring and concern for the wellbing of others.

Oh wait...They only do that when its people that vote for them.

Originally posted by Lestov16
They stayed after Bundy got arrested?

Apparently there's four left in a makeshift camp using their trucks and tarps as shelter/defense, they've claimed they're willing to surrender but only if they get immunity from arrest and prosecution first.

Bunch of whiny crybabies if you ask me.

Just let the Feds go in and shoot them in the back and plant extra weapson around like they did last time.

OBAMCARE AT ITS FINEST!

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]I just find it very disturbing that the U.S Goverment is using so much VIOLENCE to end this conflict.

This is the Obama Regime. Where is the dibplomacy and caring and concern for the wellbing of others.

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And they talked them all down, including the last one who was talking about shooting *himself* and they talked him out of it.

The FBI obviously did a lot to prevent violence, and I do wish all law enforcement lived up to that.