Originally posted by "Id"
You know Sentry did not get a chance to master his Matter Manipulation either.
He did master such things as coming back from being exploded.
So no, Cary is not a good point of reference for the Sentry. Especially not later on when he became more powerful.
Sentry briefly contained the energies of a cosmic cube with his hands, and his fight with Genis just shows he is above Cary.
So his ability to sustain energy attacks backed by stars is not something to consider?
The attacks weren't even planet destroying that I remember. Yes she was amping up off stars.
Or what about raw strength to pick up a black hole caring the weight of a star?The point is along with his speed, Tony has raw strength, and toughness/durability to bring the fight up to good old Bob.
The point is strength is irrelevant if "can come back from being exploded" is one of your many powers. Plutonian is faster and quite physically powerful. He has some abilities that could slow down Sentry, but at full power it's really not going to matter because Plutonian never mastered his stuff.
Originally posted by Surtur
But it does show the kind of league Sentry fights in. It's a shared feat yes, and nobody in Irredeemable has anything comparable to it that I can recall.
Originally posted by Surtur
He did master such things as coming back from being exploded. Sentry briefly contained the energies of a cosmic cube with his hands, and his fight with Genis just shows he is above Cary. The attacks weren't even planet destroying that I remember. Yes she was amping up off stars.The point is strength is irrelevant if "can come back from being exploded" is one of your many powers. Plutonian is faster and quite physically powerful. He has some abilities that could slow down Sentry, but at full power it's really not going to matter because Plutonian never mastered his stuff.
Cary first encounter with Plutonian is not a good point of reference, because Plutonian tooled him, and his team in a rematch, but more importantly Tony leveled up, and took on a more powerful energy manipulator in Modeus Bette, and killed him off when Tony decided to take his kids glove off.
If Tony can tank the blasts from Modeus-Bette, than he should stand up Sentry's energy barrage. Physical prowess played a huge factor in Sentry vs Hulk, so yes it is relevant. They where relevant than, and they will be relevant now, since Plutonian commands tremendous physical power, and speed of his own.
Originally posted by SurturThe point is strength is irrelevant if "can come back from being exploded" is one of your many powers. Plutonian is faster and quite physically powerful. He has some abilities that could slow down Sentry, but at full power it's really not going to matter because Plutonian never mastered his stuff.
Superman vs Mr Immmortal; sure, Immortal would outlast him....but that doesn't mean he wins forum fights.
Or Deadpool/Lobo (back when he could come back from a drop of blood, and could fight headless).
If one side absolutely dominates, and the other side's only recourse is to keep reforming....that's hardly a victory.
Originally posted by Surtur
He did master such things as coming back from being exploded.Sentry briefly contained the energies of a cosmic cube with his hands, and his fight with Genis just shows he is above Cary.
The attacks weren't even planet destroying that I remember. Yes she was amping up off stars.
The point is strength is irrelevant if "can come back from being exploded" is one of your many powers. Plutonian is faster and quite physically powerful. He has some abilities that could slow down Sentry, but at full power it's really not going to matter because Plutonian never mastered his stuff.
May I add that Sentry later controled the energies of a Cosmic Cube-beings, once he understood that he could manipulate the reality, when he stopped and destroyed Molecule Man ?
That's above anything that the Plutonian displayed.
What is the implication here? How is it applicable in battle?
That Sentry bested Molecule Man therefore his matter manipulation is superior to Plutonian? Sentry demanded Molecule Man restore his team and the town, funny he could not do so under his own power.
Or that Sentry will go on a matter manipulation battle? This is not Sentry or Voidtry cup of tea, and we are leaving out that Plutonian has considerable matter manipulation abilities himself.
Originally posted by "Id"
What is the implication here? How is it applicable in battle?That Sentry bested Molecule Man therefore his matter manipulation is superior to Plutonian? Sentry demanded Molecule Man restore his team and the town, funny he could not do so under his own power.
Or that Sentry will go on a matter manipulation battle? This is not Sentry or Voidtry cup of tea, and we are leaving out that Plutonian has considerable matter manipulation abilities himself.
All he said was that he didn't have the experience Owen had. Not that he didn't have the power. At that point we all knew that Sentry was more powerful in molecular manipulation than Owen (at the level Owen was at there at the time).
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
All he said was that he didn't have the experience Owen had. Not that he didn't have the power. At that point we all knew that Sentry was more powerful in molecular manipulation than Owen (at the level Owen was at there at the time).
Ok
And did we go on to see that later on?
Did he display matter manipulation the way Molecule Man did so on that town and his team?
Originally posted by "Id"
What is the implication here? How is it applicable in battle?That Sentry bested Molecule Man therefore his matter manipulation is superior to Plutonian? Sentry demanded Molecule Man restore his team and the town, funny he could not do so under his own power.
Or that Sentry will go on a matter manipulation battle? This is not Sentry or Voidtry cup of tea, and we are leaving out that Plutonian has considerable matter manipulation abilities himself.
Sentry's reality warping ability is stated by Tony Stark in a report to the President of the USA to be on par with HOM Scarlet Witch.
Sentry destroyed Molecule Man under his own power.
He just lacked the SKILLS to restore the damages that Molecule Man did.
He has literally enough raw psionic power to atomize the Plutonian whom has no feats resisting or countering a molecule manipulation / reality manipulation on this order.
Originally posted by "Id"
OkAnd did we go on to see that later on.
Did he display matter manipulation the way Molecule Man did so on that town and his team?
I'm not disputing what you are saying.
I am bringing up on where you said that Sentry could beat Molecule Man but couldn't restore the town like Owen did. With you saying it was funny he couldn't do it under his own power. When in fact it was Sentry lacks the experience not the power.
And even if I can't prove anything (even though that wasn't what I was debating you on), you're kind of putting me into a no win situation. Because you being at least a Sentry fan to a degree would know that he was at the point of beating Owen basically a complete novice in Molecular Manip. You can pick examples of it being used after fighting Owen. But bringing up that question asking for something like you specified you should already know that isn't something you're going to get.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
1) Sentry's reality warping ability is stated by Tony Stark in a report to the President of the USA to be on par with HOM Scarlet Witch.2) Sentry destroyed Molecule Man under his own power.
3)He just lacked the SKILLS to restore the damages that Molecule Man did.
He has literally enough raw psionic power to atomize the Plutonian whom has no feats resisting or countering a molecule manipulation / reality manipulation on this order.
1)A statement that is to be taken with a spoon full of salt. Plutonian is said to be able to wrap reality wholesale if he realized it...per Modeus and Qubit, but these are just statements with no face value.
2) A wekened Molecule Man.
3) Bingo. He lacks the skill, which is silly to bring up that Sentry has greater mastery over matter than Plutonian.
Plutonian has sufficient feats of his own.
Bending dark matter and gravity to create a black hole.
Negating the Moons interia.
Withdrawing kinetic motion from molecules.
The capacity to manipulate atomic density on others and himself.
Untangleling Quantum Entanglement (which is a big one).
These are feats done under his belt. So No I don't see the inferiority here.
Originally posted by "Id"
1)A statement that is to be taken with a spoon full of salt. Plutonian is said to be able to wrap reality wholesale if he realized it...per Modeus and Qubit, but these are just statements with no face value.2) A wekened Molecule Man.
3) Bingo. He lacks the skill, which is silly to bring up that Sentry has greater mastery over matter than Plutonian.
Plutonian has sufficient feats of his own.
Bending dark matter and gravity to create a black hole.
Negating the Moons interia.
Withdrawing kinetic motion from molecules.
The capacity to manipulate atomic density on others and himself.
Untangleling Quantum Entanglement (which is a big one).These are feats done under his belt. So No I don't see the inferiority here.
1) That's not "just a statement"... Tony Stark had to evaluate precisely the kind of threat the Sentry reprensent and he teamed-up with him during years.
It's actually more accurate than some poster on the internet downplaying the character to see his favorite winning.
2) Molecule Man wasn't weakened at all. Only Owen's mental inhibitions placed upon his powers limitates Owen's access to his powers. He had no mental inhibitions during Dark Avengers and therefore was at full power.
3) Raw power =/= skills. Sentry had enough skills to direct his reality warping powers against Molecule Man and destroys him. That's more than enough to waste the Plutonian.
4) Nothing in what you said is close to manipulate Molecule Man, nor being as powerful as HOM Scarlet Witch. By the way I've read all comics featuring the Plutonian. He is powerful but not even close to the Sentry.