Originally posted by One-Punch
Vyn did attack Superman at various points in his timeline...indirectly...via proxies and schemed events (e.g., henchmen he hired in various timelines to attack Superman, set up the Kent's car accidents, setting up the corporation that would create Superdoom, setting up Luthor's rise, etc.) Vyn never actually attacked Superman directly himself, for anyone who read Action Comics 13 to 18.Vyn also stole a bunch of powerful 5D artifacts in preparation against Mxy.
http://postimg.org/image/p3mkiw0h9/
http://postimg.org/image/723fl36gd/At the end of the arc, the whole thing was implied to be part of Myx's "greatest trick" to become king of the 5th dimension.
^ Says the person who lied about Superdoom throwing a helicopter at Superman, while simultaneously posting proof of his lie in the very same post.
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂Vyndktvx had thrown Superman by himself in previous scene.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576130/2013-03-20_07-29-50_-_Action_Comics_18-012.jpg.htmlThis is the next scene of the fight.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576132/2013-03-20_07-30-00_-_Action_Comics_18-016.jpg.htmlHe didn't threw a helicopter at him. Of all the things to use to lowball a feat.
Tell me though, where did he throw the copter?
Originally posted by abhilegend
On second glance, it is thrown at Superman.My point still stands. It doesn't matters if he is throwing a rock at Superman. Attacks from a being that powerful doesn't depends on collateral damage.
"On second glance"...lol
If you can't even comprehend that simple helicopter scene, why should anyone expect you to comprehend Morrison's complex plot with Vyndktvx that spans multiple issues and Superman timelines. It doesn't change the fact that Vyn never attacked Superman directly himself. He attacked Superman by simultaneously orchestrating various events in Superman's past, present, and future. All of the "attacking" was done by his proxies or villains he hired or took control of (e.g., Anti-Superman Army and Superdoom).
Originally posted by deathslash
batman was amped on venom and it was nighttime (so Clark wasn't at the peak of his power). I know it still doesn't explain how he got a bloody lip from a single punch, but I just thought that you should know the context behind it.Either way, no selling a punch from she hulk several decades ago vs getting a bloody lip from an amped batman at night isn't how we should go about determining how durable these two are. We should take their highest and lowest end showings to see who has a better track record. Personally, I think that surfer's energy resistance is above superman's and superman's physical resistance is above surfer's.
I don't at all, I think that Superman is the most popular character with the most appearance in a comic universe that clearly favors him as having the best attributes relative to others and therefore goes out of their way to show such. Different approach is all. Now think about the last time Surfer was show to have PHYSICAL damage. Despite so called feats, Superman has been bloodied and pummeled much more than Surfer had. Look at Surfer's fight with BR Bill, Bill was broken and bloodied and Surfer was fine. This is the same Bill that took it to Stardust in one of the greatest comic book fights ever depicted IMO. Superman's blood was draw by a quick bow from Hercules, right? And Surfer, who draws energy from the cosmos itself, is more easily able to make a full recovery.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then the helicopter hits Superman.
😆 Or was it Mxy-powered?
Dude, you all aren't even clearly defining YOUR interpretation of what's happening, yet you want to jump down Carver's throat. Again, based on the comic, WHAT EXACTLY is happening? Is there a better explanation in previous pages?
My take is pretty similar to O-P and not Abby's squinty-eyed interpretation. He's making it out to be something it's not, as if it was a helicopter thrown from every time line at once, which would of could be infinite mass. If that was the case, then Superman's explanation that his cape saved him wouldn't make a bit of sense. So his cape >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his own durability?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then the helicopter hits Superman.
These orchestrated attacks range from Vyn setting up the car accident that killed Ma Kent when Superman was a teen, to recruiting villains like Xa Du to attack adult Superman, or setting up Overcorp--which is a corporation from a different universe that eventually creates Super-Doomsday, the one you see attacking Superman.
It doesn't mean that helicopter throw happened simultaneously across multiple universes/timelines, if that's what you're thinking lol.
I can PM anyone all the relevant issues if they wanna read it because the plot spans 5 issues so it can get complex. It is not at all as abhi describes it.
Originally posted by SquallX
Morisson's made that shit pretty clear.
WHAT is happening? It's clear as mud if this is the only explanation.
How about you all explain his statement about how his CAPE could save him. It's not mystical, so his cape is more durable than his body?
"It's happening..................in all worlds at the same time." All that means is the scenario playing out in front of their eyes is happening in all timelines. This doesn't mean that Superman was receiving the brunt of an infinite amount of helicopters thrown at him as Abby is suggesting!!! Geez, is he really trying this?
Originally posted by One-Punch
She's alluding to the dozen orchestrated attacks Vyn setup for Superman, which are occurring at various points in Superman's timeline all at once (e.g., we literally see these various events happening from Superman's POV when he was a teen, young adult, current, future, etc.) From Vyn's POV it's all happening at once since he's a 5D imp who perceives time differently. From Superman's POV it's still linear, but eventually converges.These orchestrated attacks range from Vyn setting up the car accident that killed Ma Kent when Superman was a teen, to recruiting villains like Xa Du to attack adult Superman, or setting up Overcorp--which is a corporation from a different universe that eventually creates Super-Doomsday, the one you see attacking Superman.
It doesn't mean that helicopter throw happened simultaneously across multiple universes/timelines, if that's what you're thinking lol.
I can PM anyone all the relevant issues if they wanna read it because the plot spans 5 issues so it can get complex. It is not at all as abhi describes it.
This is exactly what the Chaos King of the board wants. It's no different that his argument that Triumph was "Mxy powered" and therefore "Inherently more dangerous to Superman" based on a statement made by Superman in reference to an actual magical construct......in a totally different story. He loves string shit together, lying and creating and giant cluster ****.
Bottom line, this is no durability feat and the fact that Superman by his own admittance was saved by his damn CAPE makes it a low showing for him.
Originally posted by carver9What?
It's ALL happening in different worlds, at the same time. What's happening in different worlds and is Superman not involved since the imp has him as a target? What's all happening at the same time?
Take a piece of paper.
Fold it in half a few times, then stab it with a fork.
Then unfold it and look at it.
That piece of paper is Superman's history.
The holes you poke, which now are very numerous, was Vyns singular attack on Superman from a higher plane of reality.
But Vyn could never beat him, he only made Superman smarter and stronger and increased his resolve every time [since to Superman these happened in different months and years].
Now. the fork is The Multitude. A million pointed spear that annihilated many worlds from existance.
The only reason Earth and Krypton survived is because Jor El and Superman defeated the attack.
This is just paraphrasing panels from the issues, which probably do an even better job at describing it, if you actually ever stopped to read any Superman, since you always find yourself commenting on him.
There's so many misconceptions here.
Lol, the helicopter Super-Doom threw was just a random helicopter that just happen to be there. It wasn't magic nor multiversal or whatever. Just a regular helicopter.
Super-Doomsday himself isn't a magic construct nor did he have 5D imp powers. He was a creature genetically created by Overcorp, which Vyndktvx summoned to attack Superman.
As far as durability goes, Superman was never hit by "abstract level" attacks lol. All the physical attacks on Superman were done by Vyndktvx's recruits and proxies e.g., groups of super villains like the Anti-Superman army and creatures like Super-Doom.
Originally posted by One-Punch
There's so many misconceptions here.Lol, the helicopter Super-Doom threw was just a random helicopter that just happen to be there. It wasn't magic nor multiversal or whatever. Just a regular helicopter.
Super-Doomsday himself isn't a magic construct nor did he have 5D imp powers. He was a creature genetically created by Overcorp, which Vyndktvx summoned to attack Superman.
As far as durability goes, Superman was never hit by "abstract level" attacks lol. All the physical attacks on Superman were done by Vyndktvx's recruits and proxies e.g., groups of super villains like the Anti-Superman army and creatures like Super-Doom.
Explains why his cape saved him from an abstract level attack- it wasn't. 😆
Superman fans are like lemmings, they follow whoever is in the lead right off of a cliff. Anyone in their right mind can see that's a regular earth made helicopter!
Originally posted by Juntai
What?
The imps are from outside space and time, from a higher dimension.Take a piece of paper.
Fold it in half a few times, then stab it with a fork.Then unfold it and look at it.
That piece of paper is Superman's history.
The holes you poke, which now are very numerous, was Vyns singular attack on Superman from a higher plane of reality.
But Vyn could never beat him, he only made Superman smarter and stronger and increased his resolve every time [since to Superman these happened in different months and years].
Now. the fork is The Multitude. A million pointed spear that annihilated many worlds from existance.
The only reason Earth and Krypton survived is because Jor El and Superman defeated the attack.
This is just paraphrasing panels from the issues, which probably do an even better job at describing it, if you actually ever stopped to read any Superman, since you always find yourself commenting on him.
We are discussing the durability feat because that is what the thread is about. It's a regular helicopter and it ****ed Superman up, end of story. He even says his caped saved him- FROM A HELICOPTER.
