Originally posted by One-Punch
Nova was the one who thought it would crush them, but Surfer disagreed and said Galactus probably made them powerful enough to pass through it which turned out to be true.
http://s13.postimg.org/i1b7zikh3/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_13.jpg
Oops wrong scan. This is the right scan:
http://s30.postimg.org/pmcwwgxw1/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_08.jpg
Some extras.
No-sells a cosmic bolt from Korvac that could incinerate a planet.
http://s10.postimg.org/duk16ma8p/Avengers_Annual_16_19.jpg
Tanks the crushing force of being the core of his own planet. Then proceeds to destroy said planet.
http://s10.postimg.org/gd5q7avyx/Avengers_Annual_16_20.jpg
http://s10.postimg.org/vpph1bv4p/Avengers_Annual_16_21.jpg
Tanks the energy of a small sun thrown at him.
http://s10.postimg.org/65n6uw9qx/Quasar_50_38.jpg
Tanks several attacks from an Elder God Demon who once powered an ancient advanced civilization. The demon's power was so potent both Galactus and Thanos wanted it for themselves.
http://s10.postimg.org/ibce5aogp/Silver_Surfer_Dangerous_Artifacts_36_37.jpg
http://s10.postimg.org/emmp5teft/Silver_Surfer_Dangerous_Artifacts_38.jpg
http://s10.postimg.org/c94ret00p/Silver_Surfer_Dangerous_Artifacts_39.jpg
Originally posted by One-Punch
Some extras.No-sells a cosmic bolt from Korvac that could incinerate a planet.
http://s10.postimg.org/duk16ma8p/Avengers_Annual_16_19.jpgTanks the crushing force of being the core of his own planet. Then proceeds to destroy said planet.
http://s10.postimg.org/gd5q7avyx/Avengers_Annual_16_20.jpg
http://s10.postimg.org/vpph1bv4p/Avengers_Annual_16_21.jpgTanks the energy of a small sun thrown at him.
http://s10.postimg.org/65n6uw9qx/Quasar_50_38.jpgTanks several attacks from an Elder God Demon who once powered an ancient advanced civilization. The demon's power was so potent both Galactus and Thanos wanted it for themselves.
http://s10.postimg.org/ibce5aogp/Silver_Surfer_Dangerous_Artifacts_36_37.jpg
http://s10.postimg.org/emmp5teft/Silver_Surfer_Dangerous_Artifacts_38.jpg
http://s10.postimg.org/c94ret00p/Silver_Surfer_Dangerous_Artifacts_39.jpg
those tiny ass microverse scans 😂 😂
Originally posted by One-PunchFair enough, his silvery skin seems to make some types of cosmic bolts roll right off him like water off a duck. It'd be tough to call if those are really examples of durability.
Well bullets bounce off Superman's chest, does that count as durability? 😛Later on Galactus actually sends Surfer into that very same black hole. Surfer passes through it and is unscathed.
http://s13.postimg.org/673h1vm7b/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_09.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/gjprnyfqf/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_10.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/mjdirm0iv/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_11.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/jru910207/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_12.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/i1b7zikh3/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_13.jpg^ This was the black hole that swallowed a solar system.
Nova was the one who thought it would crush them, but Surfer disagreed and said Galactus probably made them powerful enough to pass through it which turned out to be true.
http://s13.postimg.org/i1b7zikh3/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_13.jpg
Same story arc over a handful of issues saw Surfer getting overwhelmed by Ronan's bolts though [had to use board to the back of the head trick to get the upper hand] and getting rekt and koed by a skrull.
Originally posted by Juntai
Fair enough, his silvery skin seems to make some types of cosmic bolts roll right off him like magic and Captain Marvel/ShazamSame story arc over a handful of issues saw Surfer getting blasted around by Ronan's bolts though and getting rekt and koed by a skrull.
Surfer beat Ronan twice without much trouble, the second time Ronan was amped and prepped.
If you're talking about the Skrull Impostor he was being channeled power from multiple Skrull worlds when fighting Surfer. It took amping from their entire network of planets to beat Surfer.
And confirmed again here.
Also. the Helicopter didn't KO or incapacitate Superman. He gets hit with it, in the next panel is an action scene if him being grabbed and asked a question, and in the next panel he's responding. And a few panels after that, Superman causes his defeat.
It did however, do some damage when added with everything else..If that's what's being argued. But this is also newbie Superman that is set even before JLA or the first issue of his own other titles.
Originally posted by One-PunchI know what happened, I have the issues too.
Surfer beat Ronan twice without much trouble, the second time Ronan was amped and prepped.If you're talking about the Skrull Impostor he was being channeled power from multiple Skrull worlds when fighting Surfer. It took amping from their entire network of planets to beat Surfer.
Certain types of bolts slide right off of Surfer because of his mirrorlike silver skin, others do not. It's more of an invulnerability than a durability, as durability is the ability to withstand damage. He's not even taking those specific types of damage.
Originally posted by Juntai
I know what happened, I have the issues too.
The point was the inconsistancy, and moreover the point of Ronan dropping Surfer easily with a couple bolts/blasts compared to the gems blasts. I added the other part because it happened at the same time.Certain types of bolts slide right off of Surfer because of his mirrorlike silver skin, others do not. It's more of an invulnerability than a durability, as durability is the ability to withstand damage. He's not even taking those specific types of damage.
Here's both their fights:
Round 1:
http://s16.postimg.org/hgu65mk8l/Silver_Surfer_1988_013_14.jpg
http://s16.postimg.org/6jsuguxh1/Silver_Surfer_1988_013_15.jpg
http://s16.postimg.org/qd4y9kaut/Silver_Surfer_1988_013_16.jpg
Round 2: Ronan is amped and prepped.
http://s16.postimg.org/fg3mkso39/Silver_Surfer_1989_025_23.jpg
http://s16.postimg.org/m7u1nnd2t/Silver_Surfer_1989_025_24.jpg
http://s16.postimg.org/a78lmx5o5/Silver_Surfer_1989_025_25.jpg
http://s16.postimg.org/hoht24v79/Silver_Surfer_1989_025_26.jpg
http://s16.postimg.org/qksl62lth/Silver_Surfer_1989_025_27.jpg
Surfer tanks all of Ronan's attacks just fine. Where does Ronan "drop Surfer easily" with a couple of blasts?
I thought invulnerability and durability are connected. I'm pretty sure your level of invulnerability factors in to your durability (i.e., ability to take damage).
Originally posted by One-PunchHe blasts Surfer and then has him stretched out and at his mercy, until Surfer commands the board around to blindside him. Surfer 'wins', but not by being powerful powerful or tanking or anything. Then he gets beat by the Skrull right after.
Ronan dropping Surfer easily with a couple of blasts? Not sure what you're talking about.Here's both their fights:
Round 1:
http://s16.postimg.org/hgu65mk8l/Silver_Surfer_1988_013_14.jpg
http://s16.postimg.org/6jsuguxh1/Silver_Surfer_1988_013_15.jpg
http://s16.postimg.org/qd4y9kaut/Silver_Surfer_1988_013_16.jpgSurfer tanks all of Ronan's attacks just fine. Where does Ronan "drop Surfer easily" with a couple of blasts?
I thought invulnerability and durability are connected. I'm pretty sure your level of invulnerability factors in to your durability (i.e., ability to take damage).
Here is Superman's durability against the god Apollo. >.>
Originally posted by Juntai
Also. the Helicopter didn't KO or incapacitate Superman. He gets hit with it, in the next panel is an action scene if him being grabbed and asked a question, and in the next panel he's responding. And a few panels after that, Superman causes his defeat.It did however, do some damage when added with everything else..If that's what's being argued. But this is also newbie Superman that is set even before JLA or the first issue of his own other titles.
Lol...he was laid out. He even tells us that he would've died if it wasn't for his cape. No way around this bro.
Originally posted by One-Punch
^ Says the person who lied about Superdoom throwing a helicopter at Superman, while simultaneously posting proof of his lie in the very same post."Tell me where did he throw a helicopter?"
"On second glance"...lol
Yes, it's a mistake. I already admitted so.
What else would you want me to do?
If you can't even comprehend that simple helicopter scene, why should anyone expect you to comprehend Morrison's complex plot with Vyndktvx that spans multiple issues and Superman timelines. It doesn't change the fact that Vyn never attacked Superman directly himself. He attacked Superman by simultaneously orchestrating various events in Superman's past, present, and future. All of the "attacking" was done by his proxies or villains he hired or took control of (e.g., Anti-Superman Army and Superdoom).
Haha, what? Are you ****ing serious here? Vyndktvx was attacking superman personally across entire creation. Superdoom was possessed by him as well.
We even see him attacking superman across timelines here.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576123/2013-03-20_07-29-32_-_Action_Comics_18-005.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576126/2013-03-20_07-29-35_-_Action_Comics_18-006.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576128/2013-03-20_07-29-48_-_Action_Comics_18-011.jpg.html
How much more are you going to lie?
Originally posted by Juntai
He blasts Surfer and then has him stretched out and at his mercy, until Surfer commands the board around to blindside him. Surfer 'wins', but not by being powerful powerful or tanking or anything. Then he gets beat by the Skrull right after.Here is Superman's durability against the god Apollo. >.>
Apollo amped him. It's like Magneto being bathed in the EM spectrum. Superman even tells us it amps him.
Originally posted by One-Punch
She's alluding to the dozen orchestrated attacks Vyn setup for Superman, which are occurring at various points in Superman's timeline all at once (e.g., we literally see these various events happening from Superman's POV when he was a teen, young adult, current, future, etc.) From Vyn's POV it's all happening at once since he's a 5D imp who perceives time differently. From Superman's POV it's still linear, but eventually converges.These orchestrated attacks range from Vyn setting up the car accident that killed Ma Kent when Superman was a teen, to recruiting villains like Xa Du to attack adult Superman, or setting up Overcorp--which is a corporation from a different universe that eventually creates Super-Doomsday, the one you see attacking Superman.
It doesn't mean that helicopter throw happened simultaneously across multiple universes/timelines, if that's what you're thinking lol.
I can PM anyone all the relevant issues if they wanna read it because the plot spans 5 issues so it can get complex. It is not at all as abhi describes it.
This is why you never ask a silver surfer fanboy to read a superman comic.
The complexity is simply too much for you I see.
Pray tell, what are these?
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576123/2013-03-20_07-29-32_-_Action_Comics_18-005.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576126/2013-03-20_07-29-35_-_Action_Comics_18-006.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576128/2013-03-20_07-29-48_-_Action_Comics_18-011.jpg.html
It's alright if you made a mistake. Own up to it.
Originally posted by One-Punch
There's so many misconceptions here.Lol, the helicopter Super-Doom threw was just a random helicopter that just happen to be there. It wasn't magic nor multiversal or whatever. Just a regular helicopter.
Super-Doomsday himself isn't a magic construct nor did he have 5D imp powers. He was a creature genetically created by Overcorp, which Vyndktvx summoned to attack Superman.
As far as durability goes, Superman was never hit by "abstract level" attacks lol. All the physical attacks on Superman were done by Vyndktvx's recruits and proxies e.g., groups of super villains like the Anti-Superman army and creatures like Super-Doom.
Superdoom was flat out possessed by Vyndktvx. Here he even throws the emotions of entire creation in Superman's mind.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576132/2013-03-20_07-30-00_-_Action_Comics_18-016.jpg.html
But yeah, you're utterly incapable of reading even most simple of Morrison's writings.
Don't ever try to read Flex Mentallo or Invisibles. Your head might just explode by the complexity.
Originally posted by carver9False. He is grabbed and asked a question and responds immediately. There is a total of zero evidence to suggest he was unconscious.
Lol...he was laid out. He even tells us that he would've died if it wasn't for his cape. No way around this bro.
And this was after a long drawn out battle, and being weakened by kryptonite extensively. Having it draped around him before and during the fight. Being held down and drained by K Man and the rest of radiation gang before and then again in the middle of the fight, etc
Originally posted by One-Punch
Superman taking a beating from Superdoom after exposure to kryponite was pretty impressive.But the same Superman was also nearly knocked out by 10 gigawatts of electricity lol.
Superman also takes several attacks from Multitude, magical weapon from 5th dimensional which killed Mxy's older form in one attack and destroyed 230 worlds instantly.
http://i.imgur.com/tZcjkT0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8MPLjbE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SVzfcLz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GqSAju0.jpg
But yeah, ignore the context. You're quite good at it.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Well bullets bounce off Superman's chest, does that count as durability? 😛Later on Galactus actually sends Surfer into that very same black hole. Surfer passes through it and is unscathed.
http://s13.postimg.org/673h1vm7b/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_09.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/gjprnyfqf/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_10.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/mjdirm0iv/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_11.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/jru910207/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_12.jpg
http://s13.postimg.org/i1b7zikh3/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_13.jpg^ This was the black hole that swallowed a solar system.
Nova was the one who thought it would crush them, but Surfer disagreed and said Galactus probably made them powerful enough to pass through it which turned out to be true.
http://s13.postimg.org/i1b7zikh3/Silver_Surfer_1988_015_13.jpg
Originally posted by Juntai
False. He is grabbed and asked a question and responds immediately. There is a total of zero evidence to suggest he was unconscious.And this was after a long drawn out battle, and being weakened by kryptonite extensively. Having it draped around him before and during the fight. Being held down and drained by K Man and the rest of radiation gang before and then again in the middle of the fight, etc
Are you really going to sit there and tell me he wasn't koed here?
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576132/2013-03-20_07-30-00_-_Action_Comics_18-016.jpg.html
All of the gang banging and stuff took place in a different timeline.
Originally posted by carver9
Are you really going to sit there and tell me he wasn't koed here?http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15576132/2013-03-20_07-30-00_-_Action_Comics_18-016.jpg.html
All of the gang banging and stuff took place in a different timeline.
Originally posted by carver9
Did the attack AMP Surfer?
I don't even have words for this atrocious logic.
