Originally posted by leonidas
all physical law breaks down once we pass c. no more rl science to fall back on. maybe he hits LESS hard past light speed. sneer
But we *can* look at what happens above c, by using special relativity! The formula for relativistic mass (or rather, relativistic energy expressed as mass) is
Now, if the velocity v > c, you'd end up taking a square root of a negative number, which yields an IMAGINARY number. Therefore, Flash would hit so hard it would be UNREAL, at those speeds!
(Ps. As a sidenote, you can see why at c he would punch infinitely hard: since v = c, the denominator tends to zero and the fraction tends to infinity.)
lol i get the physics. of course it doesn't translate in the comic world. though superman has also been shown capable of using an IMP. i was more addressing those who were implying that the faster he goes, the harder he hits. that is only factual as long as he stays at or below c. once past it, it's pure comics logic. 👆
Originally posted by MagnonThe white martian should have imploded into an anomaly if rl physics were to apply here.
No need to go that fast, since he hits INFINITELY hard already at lightspeed 🙂But we *can* look at what happens above c, by using special relativity! The formula for relativistic mass (or rather, relativistic energy expressed as mass) is
Now, if the velocity v > c, you'd end up taking a square root of a negative number, which yields an IMAGINARY number. Therefore, Flash would hit so hard it would be UNREAL, at those speeds!
(Ps. As a sidenote, you can see why at c he would punch infinitely hard: since v = c, the denominator tends to zero and the fraction tends to infinity.)
Wonder Woman should've exploded as well. Sad thing is, we go by what's shown in comic rather than what math equations people come up with on a forum. With that said, Grey Hulk would probably tank a hit from Flash punching at his best. Barry hasn't koed anyone worth mentioning within the past 20 yrs with his fist. Good luck trying to find anything proving me wrong. I can name tons of strong bricks that has tanked his punches without flinching.
Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman should've exploded as well. Sad thing is, we go by what's shown in comic rather than what math equations people come up with on a forum. With that said, Grey Hulk would probably tank a hit from Flash punching at his best. Barry hasn't koed anyone worth mentioning within the past 20 yrs with his fist. Good luck trying to find anything proving me wrong. I can name tons of strong bricks that has tanked his punches without flinching.
Your logic suggests that a comic bullet can't compare to a real bullet.
Character's durability, strength, and speed are variable from comic to comic. What remains always constant are known objects and measurements with fixed parameters. A feat against a comic bullet is a feat against a real bullet, a feat against a comic planet is a feat against a real planet, a feat against a character or object moving at a certain speed is a feat against a real object moving that same speed.
If Flash is punching 100 times faster than a bullet on a comic (he can punch far faster) and his fist and forearm is more than 400 times more massive than a bullet then he simply punches with more than 4 million times more kinetic energy than a bullet. So a character withstanding such punches are mere durability feats for them since a given speed and mass are constants in comics.
Also punching fast doesn't imply punching at near light speed. The IMP only works when an object moves very close to light speed.
Finally, if Flash punches someone at near light speed in a comic and that character eats it well then either
1. They have the necessary durability in that scene (not in general though) to withstand such a force
Or
2. The writer is totally ignoring the IMP and totally dismissing it and any physics of it.
If 1. then it's a high showing for the punched character and not a low showing for flash. If 2. then we can dismiss the showing since in a forum fight the IMP will actually work.
H1, we use on panel showings as evidence. If you want to ignore that then I can do the same. Due to Hulk being as strong as he is, he is easily capable of running FTL speeds. Hulk blitz flash for the win due to having infinite strength with infinite leg muscle. This guy nearly overpowered an Abstract and he wasn't even close to his WBH levels. Speed blitz for the win.
Originally posted by carver9
H1, we use on panel showings as evidence. If you want to ignore that then I can do the same. Due to Hulk being as strong as he is, he is easily capable of running FTL speeds. Hulk blitz flash for the win due to having infinite strength with infinite leg muscle. This guy nearly overpowered an Abstract and he wasn't even close to his WBH levels. Speed blitz for the win.
Originally posted by carver9Being strong doesn't imply speed. Hulk doesn't and never had infinite strength.
H1, we use on panel showings as evidence. If you want to ignore that then I can do the same. Due to Hulk being as strong as he is, he is easily capable of running FTL speeds. Hulk blitz flash for the win due to having infinite strength with infinite leg muscle. This guy nearly overpowered an Abstract and he wasn't even close to his WBH levels. Speed blitz for the win.
On panel evidence has flash punching with more than millions of times the kinetic energy as a bullet. And when Flash IMPs he's punching with astronomical forces.
if Flash punches someone at near light speed in a comic and that character eats it well then either
1. They have the necessary durability in that scene (not in general though) to withstand such a force
Or
2. The writer is totally ignoring the IMP and totally dismissing it and any physics of it.Â_
If 1. then it's a high showing for the punched character and not a low showing for flash. If 2. then we can dismiss the showing since in a forum fight the IMP will actually work.
In comicbooks, real world physics mean nothing, thus, no real world math is applicable to comicbook physics...
In the comicbook world, "Infinte Mass Punch" is just a fancy way of saying that Flash can punch hard; as pertains Herald tier characters and beyond, Flash's IMP is nothing special...
Flash's feats with his "IMP" (or rather the IMP's track record) confirm it being nothing special; especially when compared to the feats of other characters that can punch hard...
Zoom's powers work differently from the Flash's. Zoom is not really fast, he's just a particularly specialized time manipulator. Ergo, his "IMP" is not truly an IMP.
People seem to call any of Flash's attacks where most of the energy originates from relativistic effects, an IMP. However, even in the White Martian encounter (link below) it is explained that he was simply accelerating TOWARDS lightspeed; he chose a speed slightly BELOW c, not exactly AT c, to perform the attack. A true IMP would of course instakill any foe; a hero like Flash tries to avoid that. Still, the punch that took out White Martian would kill most Marvel heralds. And he said he could do that a thousand times in a row. *That* would kill pretty much anything in Marvel, excluding perhaps noncorporeals and such.
Flash >> ANY Hulk (Flash fact)
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Originally posted by TheLordofMurderactually writers have painstakingly explained the the READ WORLD physics behind the IMP in the actual comic book. So their intentions (which means more than our opinions) are clear.
In comicbooks, real world physics mean nothing, thus, no real world math is applicable to comicbook physics...In the comicbook world, "Infinte Mass Punch" is just a fancy way of saying that Flash can punch hard; as pertains Herald tier characters and beyond, Flash's IMP is nothing special...
Flash's feats with his "IMP" (or rather the IMP's track record) confirm it being nothing special; especially when compared to the feats of other characters that can punch hard...
Flash and Superman doesn't kill. So under the suspension of belief they hold back. When Superman used an IMP to destroy the shadow moon then he didn't hold back. He completely pulverized the moon into 100% dust. This takes more than billions of times the force than just shattering the moon into a thousand equal size pieces.
