Originally posted by carver9
The scan tells us she was hit at Light speed. Can't get any clearer than this.That's why he is able to do things like this with a snap of his finger.
Dark is bored and the rest of you are trying too hard.
Nice scans... Or at least they would be if they were at all relevant.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Pre Flashpoint, no less.
Aye. Makes no sense.
Originally posted by -Pr-Because Carv wants to argue that every punch Zoom landed on WW was an IMP due to Diana's statement, therefore IMPs are no big deal and 'fixit would tank them'. Lol.
Why is Zoom being used in this thread?
It doesn't matter Zoom's powers don't have anything to do with actual speed.
Usual Carvster.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Because Carv wants to argue that every punch Zoom landed on WW was an IMP due to Diana's statement, therefore IMPs are no big deal and 'fixit would tank them'. Lol.It doesn't matter Zoom's powers don't have anything to do with actual speed.
Usual Carvster.
Was she hit at Light speed? Yes or no?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Nice scans... Or at least they would be if they were at all relevant.Aye. Makes no sense.
Its relevant though. An imp hasn't taken down anyone worth noting, especially someone on Wold Breaker level. I'm not going to argue Hulk is Multiversal unless I have documented proof and the imp doesn't have that which means the group that is arguing for it is living in a fairy tale.
Pr-
I'm bringing up Zoom vs WW because people are trying to use real world physics to suggest that Hulk couldn't deal with an IMP. All I'm trying to do is show that despite what real world physics suggest, a lightspeed punch from someone in the Flash family CAN be withstood and isn't the end all be all of offense that some seem to be implying.
DS-
WW is just explaining how Zoom's powers work. He IS effectively faster than her, but doesn't have actual super speed.
Adam-
I'm pretty sure IMP is a forum term. Has it EVER been referred to as such in a comic?
Originally posted by carver9
Pr-
I'm bringing up Zoom vs WW because people are trying to use real world physics to suggest that Hulk couldn't deal with an IMP. All I'm trying to do is show that despite what real world physics suggest, a lightspeed punch from someone in the Flash family CAN be withstood and isn't the end all be all of offense that some seem to be implying.DS-
WW is just explaining how Zoom's powers work. He IS effectively faster than her, but doesn't have actual super speed.Adam-
I'm pretty sure IMP is a forum term. Has it EVER been referred to as such in a comic?
Can be withstood by WW (pre Flashpoint, from Zoom - known for holding back).
What is the most mass WBH has been hit by? Then we can move from there.
Originally posted by carver9
Its relevant though. An imp hasn't taken down anyone worth noting, especially someone on Wold Breaker level. I'm not going to argue Hulk is Multiversal unless I have documented proof and the imp doesn't have that which means the group that is arguing for it is living in a fairy tale.
Nothing in those scans is at all connected to IMPs, though. So why post them?
Originally posted by carver9
Pr-
I'm bringing up Zoom vs WW because people are trying to use real world physics to suggest that Hulk couldn't deal with an IMP. All I'm trying to do is show that despite what real world physics suggest, a lightspeed punch from someone in the Flash family CAN be withstood and isn't the end all be all of offense that some seem to be implying.DS-
WW is just explaining how Zoom's powers work. He IS effectively faster than her, but doesn't have actual super speed.Adam-
I'm pretty sure IMP is a forum term. Has it EVER been referred to as such in a comic?
Zoom doesn't have the same kinds of powers as the Flash.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Nothing in those scans is at all connected to IMPs, though. So why post them?Zoom doesn't have the same kinds of powers as the Flash.
They are connected by the logic used in this thread. A lightspeed punch from Zoom using real world logic would qualify as an IMP. IMP is just a name cooked up on the forum for a lightspeed punch after all. It's not outright stated in the scan, but is a perfectly valid interpretation given that he's seems to be hitting harder than Supes.
Originally posted by carver9
They are connected by the logic used in this thread. A lightspeed punch from Zoom using real world logic would qualify as an IMP. IMP is just a name cooked up on the forum for a lightspeed punch after all. It's not outright stated in the scan, but is a perfectly valid interpretation given that he's seems to be hitting harder than Supes.
It was coined from the comic where it's stated. Nobody just "made it up".
Even if you wanted to argue that, the scans you posted still don't help your case, as they're sonic booms.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Does something that travels through time actually move at lightspeed?Or does it merely create the illusion of doing so?
Illusions? Jesus Christ. So you're saying everything about Zoom is an illusion and he is incapable of hitting someone at the speed of light? His run about with Flash , was that fake as well? What about his finger snap that was causing havoc in the city due to him snapping his finger at Super speed? Was the window cracking and the sonic booms created an illusion as well or are you trying too hard?
Let's throw some real world logic in here. The White Martian was hit with this supposedly powerful imp.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119260/4241558-5512892637-12456.jpg
And imp is a devastating blow with undescribed power packed behind it. If hit with this punch, if durable enough to live through said hit, it should send you flying at an unknown distance. Not doing any calculations here but this guy didn't even leave earth orbit.
Originally posted by carver9
Let's throw some real world logic in here. The White Martian was hit with this supposedly powerful imp.http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119260/4241558-5512892637-12456.jpg
And imp is a devastating blow with undescribed power packed behind it. If hit with this punch, if durable enough to live through said hit, it should send you flying at an unknown distance. Not doing any calculations here but this guy didn't even leave earth orbit.
It's sad how bad the science is in that scan.
Originally posted by carver9I think you (purposefully?) misunderstood my point. He's not actually moving at the speed of light, but bending time for similar results.
Illusions? Jesus Christ. So you're saying everything about Zoom is an illusion and he is incapable of hitting someone at the speed of light? His run about with Flash , was that fake as well? What about his finger snap that was causing havoc in the city due to him snapping his finger at Super speed? Was the window cracking and the sonic booms created an illusion as well or are you trying too hard?
Does his mass increase in the same way Flash's does? You've got proof?
Btw, Flash speed steals/vibrates through Hulk ftw. No IMP needed. 👆
Originally posted by -Pr-
It was coined from the comic where it's stated. Nobody just "made it up".Even if you wanted to argue that, the scans you posted still don't help your case, as they're sonic booms.
I honestly don't think it was pr. I'm pretty sure IMP is a term that was invented on the forum. The phrase isn't used to describe the punch either of the times Wally threw one...
http://m.imgur.com/qXTXffP
http://m.imgur.com/7gPrMzC
http://i.imgur.com/k9ifrJ7.jpg
"Infinite mass" was never used to describe it either. Galan007 even confirmed as much a while back...
Originally posted by Galan007
Frankly, 'reaching' or 'obtaining' infinite mass would defeat the concept of infinity all together, as it would suggest that infinity has an end(it doesn't.) With that in mind: it has never been stated that Flash 'attains' infinite mass when he IMPs--just that his mass increases toward infinity as he approaches c:
http://imgur.com/ibPpELz
I've always said that 'Infinite Mass Punch' is a very misleading title. It should really be dubbed 'Increasing Mass Punch'. /shrug
Unable to quote the guy post because KMC sucks doo doo juice. You can confirm of Galan said this through him if you don't believe me.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I think you (purposefully?) misunderstood my point. He's not actually moving at the speed of light, but bending time for similar results.Does his mass increase in the same way Flash's does? You've got proof?
Btw, Flash speed steals/vibrates through Hulk ftw. No IMP needed. 👆
Sigh...she was hit with a punch coming at her at light speed. It can not get any simpler than this. Just stop bro. How can someone throw a slow punch at Light speed. A punch is a punch and if two people hit one target at Light speed, the results should be the same.
