Originally posted by Adam GrimesWell each punch from Zoom knocked Dianna thousands of miles...
I think you (purposefully?) misunderstood my point. He's not actually moving at the speed of light, but bending time for similar results.Does his mass increase in the same way Flash's does? You've got proof?
Btw, Flash speed steals/vibrates through Hulk ftw. No IMP needed. 👆
Here he sends Dianna from Paris to Egypt(~3,450km) with a casual kick:
http://i.imgur.com/tKY4jja.jpg
Here he sends Dianna from Egypt to the Great Wall of China(~7,770km) with another strike:
http://i.imgur.com/399pRTJ.jpg
And here he sends Dianna from the Great Wall of China to Themyscira(~13,200km) with another blow:
http://i.imgur.com/s8S1HWU.jpg
(That was when Themyscira was located in the Bermuda Triangle, so yes, that is a fairly accurate distance.)
And since we know that Zoom doesn't possess super-strength in the typical sense, we must conclude that the added mass he gleaned from moving at said speeds prior to punching Dianna, was responsible for carrying her such vast distances. Whether or not his strikes were on par with Flash-level IMPs is still up for debate, however... No way to prove that one way or the other, tbh.
Originally posted by carver9I still stand by this assertion.
I honestly don't think it was pr. I'm pretty sure IMP is a term that was invented on the forum. The phrase isn't used to describe the punch either of the times Wally threw one...http://m.imgur.com/qXTXffP
http://m.imgur.com/7gPrMzChttp://i.imgur.com/k9ifrJ7.jpg
"Infinite mass" was never used to describe it either. Galan007 even confirmed as much a while back...
Originally posted by Galan007
Frankly, 'reaching' or 'obtaining' infinite mass would defeat the concept of infinity all together, as it would suggest that infinity has an end(it doesn't.) With that in mind: it has never been stated that Flash 'attains' infinite mass when he IMPs--just that his mass increases toward infinity as he approaches c:
http://imgur.com/ibPpELzI've always said that 'Infinite Mass Punch' is a very misleading title. It should really be dubbed 'Increasing Mass Punch'. /shrug
Unable to quote the guy post because KMC sucks doo doo juice. You can confirm of Galan said this through him if you don't believe me.
By its very nature, infinity has no tangible end that can be reached or attained... That's why it was only stated that Flash's mass increases toward infinity.
Originally posted by carver9Sigh* You are making it too simple. Glad to see you agree with the rest of the post.
Sigh...she was hit with a punch coming at her at light speed. It can not get any simpler than this. Just stop bro. How can someone throw a slow punch at Light speed. A punch is a punch and if two people hit one target at Light speed, the results should be the same.
Originally posted by carver9
I honestly don't think it was pr. I'm pretty sure IMP is a term that was invented on the forum. The phrase isn't used to describe the punch either of the times Wally threw one...http://m.imgur.com/qXTXffP
http://m.imgur.com/7gPrMzChttp://i.imgur.com/k9ifrJ7.jpg
"Infinite mass" was never used to describe it either. Galan007 even confirmed as much a while back...
Originally posted by Galan007
Frankly, 'reaching' or 'obtaining' infinite mass would defeat the concept of infinity all together, as it would suggest that infinity has an end(it doesn't.) With that in mind: it has never been stated that Flash 'attains' infinite mass when he IMPs--just that his mass increases toward infinity as he approaches c:
http://imgur.com/ibPpELzI've always said that 'Infinite Mass Punch' is a very misleading title. It should really be dubbed 'Increasing Mass Punch'. /shrug
Unable to quote the guy post because KMC sucks doo doo juice. You can confirm of Galan said this through him if you don't believe me.
Maybe I was thinking of something else, then.
Nice to see you diverting from my original question, though.
Originally posted by carver9
Not sad at all when the forum is using real world logic know a freaking comic.
You're using that word wrong.
Originally posted by Galan007
Well each punch from Zoom knocked Dianna thousands of miles...Here he sends Dianna from Paris to Egypt(~3,450km) with a casual kick:
http://i.imgur.com/tKY4jja.jpgHere he sends Dianna from Egypt to the Great Wall of China(~7,770km) with another strike:
http://i.imgur.com/399pRTJ.jpgAnd here he sends Dianna from the Great Wall of China to Themyscira(~13,200km) with another blow:
http://i.imgur.com/s8S1HWU.jpg
(That was when Themyscira was located in the Bermuda Triangle, so yes, that is a fairly accurate distance.)And since we know that Zoom doesn't possess super-strength in the typical sense, we must conclude that the added mass he gleaned from moving at said speeds prior to punching Dianna, was responsible for carrying her such vast distances. Whether or not his strikes were on par with Flash-level IMPs is still up for debate, however... No way to prove that one way or the other, tbh.
I still stand by this assertion.
By its very nature, infinity has no tangible end that can be reached or attained... That's why it was only stated that Flash's mass increases toward infinity.
Well yeah, the science is awful. He reaches escape velocity but doesn't leave the atmosphere, for starters.
Originally posted by carver9
Let's throw some real world logic in here. The White Martian was hit with this supposedly powerful imp.http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119260/4241558-5512892637-12456.jpg
And imp is a devastating blow with undescribed power packed behind it. If hit with this punch, if durable enough to live through said hit, it should send you flying at an unknown distance. Not doing any calculations here but this guy didn't even leave earth orbit.
Lol Carver, did you read your own scan?
The white martian WAS in orbit and he reached ESCAPE VELOCITY.
Quote:
"In physics, escape velocity is the minimum speed needed for an object to "break free" from the gravitational attraction of a massive body. The escape velocity from Earth is about 40,270 km/h (25,020 mph)."
He probably didn't left earth and landed on the moon because of THE ANGLE of the punch.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Lol Carver, did you read your own scan?The white martian WAS in orbit and he reached ESCAPE VELOCITY.
Quote:
"In physics, escape velocity is the minimum speed needed for an object to "break free" from the gravitational attraction of a massive body. The escape velocity from Earth is about 40,270 km/h (25,020 mph)."He probably didn't left earth and landed on the moon because of THE ANGLE of the punch.
He was hit by infinity. His body shouldn't have stopped period.
Originally posted by carver9
He was hit by infinity. His body shouldn't have stopped period.
Don't try to change the subject. You said he didn't even leave earth's orbit, I am pointing out to you that he reached enough velocity to escape earth's gravity, but because of the angle he landed on earth again.
Now let me explain this to you. AT LEAST 7 miles per second is a LOW BALLING calculation that Flash is making, it is NOT the exact speed, is AT LEAST which implies that is AT LEAST escape velocity but NO LESS than escape velocity, which means it COULD be more.
Now consider the angle and the FRICTION caused by the atmosphere and that will explain you, why the White Martian didn't became earth's new satellite or a new body in space traveling forever. 🙂
BTW I think Flash wins
Once more: Zoom is not a speedster, he and his feats are irrelevant in this thread.
Secondly: Flash didn't hit White Martian with "infinity" (sic). Read the scans Carver: he was only approaching c, not moving AT c, when he hit him. No c, no infinity. He could have increased his "relativistic mass" further if he wanted to, by moving faster, or he could have repeated the punch a thousand times... however, he didn't want to kill the dude, just apply enough power to knock him out. Which he did. And which he could do to WBH as well.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Now consider the angle and the FRICTION caused by the atmosphere and that will explain you, why the White Martian didn't became earth's new satellite or a new body in space traveling forever. 🙂BTW I think Flash wins
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Don't try to change the subject. You said he didn't even leave earth's orbit, I am pointing out to you that he reached enough velocity to escape earth's gravity, but because of the angle he landed on earth again.Now let me explain this to you. AT LEAST 7 miles per second is a LOW BALLING calculation that Flash is making, it is NOT the exact speed, is AT LEAST which implies that is AT LEAST escape velocity but NO LESS than escape velocity, which means it COULD be more.
Now consider the angle and the FRICTION caused by the atmosphere and that will explain you, why the White Martian didn't became earth's new satellite or a new body in space traveling forever. 🙂
BTW I think Flash wins
If you're hit by infinity, no matter how you're hit, you should be moving forever...especially farther than what he did when Flash hit him.
Originally posted by carver9
What the mass Flash punch at when reaching light speed?
Below infinity, but large enough to take his opponent out. I don't know how much White Martian can take before dropping out but apparently Flash does.
You can use the equation I linked earlier. Substitute the "rest mass" in m0 and speed in place of v, and you can calculate the relativistic mass m.
