For reference, here's King Hyperion vs Juggernaut:
http://imgur.com/a/p12sV
As it has already been mentioned, that's depowered Juggernaut.
I wouldn't say beating him makes him even a mid-herald.
Worth noting is that Hyperion took the first round, then gave Blue Marvel time to recover.
Until further showings, I'd put Blue Marvel as a solid low-herald.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
@ celeyHe doesn't have the feats to support being a top tier in the 616.
I saw his fight with Juggy. That's a 616 character with solid feats, for example.
As is Sasquatch.
Alt reality versions are usually cannon fodder.
and don't forget BM's fight with 616 Namor, which he said he got a lucky punch on
Compilation of Blue Marvel feats:
- Moves a meteor the size of Arkansas.
- Lifts an entire building
- Lifts a submarine
- Hydrogen Bomb explodes in his hands and he takes it unharmed.
- Scuffled with Namor, who says only Thor and Hulk hit him that hard.
- Tanks hits by Iron Man, Ms Marvel, Wonderman, Ares. Then gets into a slugfest with Sentry, and KOs him into space. To be fair, Sentry stopped when Blue Marvel was down, to talk, as he seemed to have the advantage. Sentry comes back and dive bombs him from orbit, knocking him out.
- Beats King Hyperion (who struggled with Juggernaut), after losing the first round
And that's it.
Like I said, low herald.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
@ celeyHe doesn't have the feats to support being a top tier in the 616.
I saw his fight with Juggy. That's a 616 character with solid feats, for example.
As is Sasquatch.
Alt reality versions are usually cannon fodder.
Anyways... King Hype did stomp the Winter Guard before his tussle with BM. Ursa Major and Crimson Dynamo arent exactly lightweights. To get beat soundly heavily implies his level compared to strong metas. Ursa Major alone has tussled with Savage Hulk in the past.
- Moves a meteor the size of Arkansas.
- Lifts an entire building
- Lifts a submarine
- Hydrogen Bomb explodes in his hands and he takes it unharmed.
- Scuffled with Namor, who says only Thor and Hulk hit him that hard.
- Tanks hits by Iron Man, Ms Marvel, Wonderman, Ares. Then gets into a slugfest with Sentry, and KOs him into space. To be fair, Sentry stopped when Blue Marvel was down, to talk, as he seemed to have the advantage. Sentry comes back and dive bombs him from orbit, knocking him out.
- Beats King Hyperion (who struggled with Juggernaut), after losing the first round
Add the above to his documented power set:
Blue Marvel's powers are a result of being mutated, by radiation generated from the then unstable event horizon to the Negative Zone. His powers make him a force to be reckoned with, and one of the strongest beings in the Universe. He was considered to be an Alpha Level Threat by Captain America and Tony Stark.
Antimatter Manipulation: Blue Marvel is the first Antimatter Generator and Reactor; the source of his power is the energy released from anti-matter. Anti-matter releases energy with 100% efficiency. One gram of anti-matter contains the same energy as the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. One droplet could power New York City for a full day. Antimatter is the same as normal matter, except that the sub-atomic particles are the opposite charge. Therefore, antimatter and normal matter cannot coexist without exploding.
Concussion Beams: Blue Marvel can release beams of pure solidified antimatter that causes concussive damage. The effects of these beams rang from slight push, hard hit, knock-out, minor and major damage, shattering, and total annihilation of the target.
Concussive Force Bolts: Blue Marvel can release anti-matter energy from his hands as bolts of concussive force.
Stun Bolts: Blue Marvel can project low-energy of antimatter bolts that render human beings unconscious.
Optic Blast: Blue Marvel can project antimatter beams from his eyes, of various intensity.
Energy Constructs: Blue Marvel can turn antimatter into any item he's seen, can imagine, or has a good idea how it functions.
Energy Enhanced Punches: Blue Marvel can focus antimatter into his fists, which he can then use to shatter substances.
Energy Pulse: Blue Marvel can produce a surge of antimatter from his entire body, as a massive omnidirectional pulse of devastation power.
Energy Shields: Blue Marvel has been seen creating antimatter shields, around himself ad others.The shields are strong enough to deflect and absorb charging attacks from King Hyperio.
Antimatter Stabilization: According to Blue Marvel himself, he is a stable "antimatter reactor", but from his broader explanation, what he appears to do is channel exotic particles generated by a stable event horizon, caused by the interaction of opposing positive matter and negative matter (Negative Zone) universes. Because Blue Marvel has retained his powers all this time, it would seem that either the specific generative reaction that granted him his powers, continues at an unseen or subatomic level in the facility where he first gained his powers, or exotic particles generated by the experiment somehow became quantum entangled with Blue Marvel. He is able to stabilize antimatter, where anti-matter and matter would normally annihilate each other upon physical contact; Blue Marvel can prevent such an occurrence for a variety of effects, ranging from matter-antimatter constructs to the cohabitation of matter and antimatter beings.
Incalculable Strength: Blue Marvel possesses vast levels of superhuman strength, and is stated to be in the same league as Sentry, Hulk, and Thor strength wise; Blue Marvel has the potential to be the most powerful hero on Earth. He was seen effortlessly lifting the 1960 era's American warship 'Enterprise' which weighs over 93,000 tons, but is capable of greater feats of strength, as shown when he easily moved a meteor "easily the size of Arkansas". Blue Marvel is capable of lifting far in excess of 100 tons easily, as shown when he's lifted a disabled battleship weighing 100,000 tons and flew it back to port for repair. The Watcher said that Blue Marvel could have "split the moon in two" with one blow. Prince Namor himself stated that after Blue Marvel's long hiatus, that only the Hulk and Thor have hit him as hard. Blue Marvel went toe to toe with Sentry, as well as with the rest of the Avengers; he knocked Sentry unconscious into orbit in a single blow, for several minutes. Sentry barely beat Blue Marvel, requiring the distraction of a prolonged and exhausting fight with The Avengers including Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel, Ares and Iron Man to deliver a solid blow. The uppermost limits of Blue Marvel's strength is unknown, but it equals or exceeds the likes of a enraged Hulk, Sentry and others.
Invulnerability: Blue Marvel possess nigh-invulnerability similar to Sentry, and has no physical weaknesses; he can withstand: tremendous impact forces, high-caliber bullets, exposure to temperature and pressure extremes, and powerful energy blasts without sustaining injury. When swimming to his base in the Mariana Trench (deepest part of ocean), he remains unaffected by the Ocean's pressure. Blue Marvel has also withstood a nuclear detonation at ground zero, without any apparent physical trauma whatsoever.
Superhuman Durability: Blue Marvel's tissue, skin, muscles, bones, etc. are extremely dense/solid, allowing him to withstand harmful strains on his body; he's has survived a 1 megaton atomic bomb exploding in his hands without suffering any type of damage. He also withstood blows from a large collection of superhumans such as: Ms. Marvel, Ares, Iron Man, Wonder Man, and Sentry while remaining unharmed.
Regenerative Healing Factor: Despite his nigh invulnerability, it is possible to injure Blue Marvel. If injured, his body is capable of quickly repairing damaged tissue with much greater speed and efficiency than the normal human body.
Superhuman Reflexes: Blue Marvel reflexes are superior to those of the finest human athletes. He's capable of catching bullets and dodging projectiles.
Superhuman Agility: Blue Marvel's natural balance, agility, and body coordination are enhanced to levels that are far beyond the natural physical limits of even the finest human athlete.
Superhuman Stamina: Blue Marvel's enhanced musculature is far more efficient than that of a humans. His muscles produces very no fatigue toxins, thereby granting limitless stamina.
Self-Sustenance: Blue Marvel can survive in harsh environments without air, food, or water. He's also able to survive in the deepest parts of the ocean and unaided in space.
Superhuman Speed: Blue Marvel is capable of thinking, moving, and reacting vastly faster than any normal human being. He's shown to be fast enough to keep up with Sentry.
Flight: Blue Marvel flies by manipulation of gravitons, manipulation of magnetic fields, control of his absolute molecular movement, and utilizing his superhuman speed. He can fly far beyond supersonic speeds, reach speeds of at least escape velocity (7 miles per second), and has been seen flying into space unaided under his own power. He's also been seen flying to the moon in minutes, and not appear to be in a hurry.
Superhuman Sense: Blue Marvel possesses sensory abilities that exceed far above normal human capabilities.
Enhanced Vision: Blue Marvel can see down to the quark level.
Enhanced Sense of Smell
Enhanced Sense of Taste
Enhanced Hearing
Enhanced Sense of Touch
Enhanced Mental Perception: Blue Marvel possesses the ability to sense & comprehend things on levels that far exceed human capabilities.
Energy Manipulation: Blue Marvel was able to re-arrange the photons inside Spectrum's, to stop the anti-photons from destroying her body, thus making her stronger and more powerful. Afterwards, she was strong enough to take down a tiny shadow of Shuma Gorath.
Molecular Manipulation: Blue Marvel is able to affect matter at a molecular level with a great degree of precision and control. He displayed this ability, when he not only healed Monica Rambeau, but further boosted her electromagnetic abilities. It is not known if this power is limited to electromagnetic particles only, or if Blue Marvel is able to affect all matter, allowing him to alter an object's molecular composition or transmute elements.
Light Generation: Blue Marvel has exhibited the ability literally "create his own light". He can control its direction, intensity, and duration.
Longevity: Blue Marvel ages at a vastly slower rate than normal humans. Because of this, his life-span is greatly expanded. Despite being centuries old, Blue Marvel remains at his physical prime.
And yes, he's Superman Level.
Don't feed the little troll, abhi. Putting him on ignore is far more relaxing.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85👆
Thing is, that biography is fine and dandy, but unfortunately not admissible.Namor said few had punched him harder, when fighting BM?
Hyperion snapped his neck.
If I'd count the lip service given to characters, everybody would be the big dog.
His fight against depowered Juggernaut level Hyperion is telling.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Thing is, that biography is fine and dandy, but unfortunately not admissible.Namor said few had punched him harder, when fighting BM?
Hyperion snapped his neck.
Like i said, BM is Superman Level.
We can do:
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, he is not.
For multiple pages, though. It all ends up the same, with no one budging.
That's not a bio, that's a copy/paste from the comicvine website.
http://www.comicvine.com/blue-marvel/4005-57033/
How much more pathetic can people get?
Do I get to make my own pages saying Alfred is Galactus level, then reference them in debates?
What the hell is going on in this forum?
Originally posted by riv6672
I've seen biographies used here many times, but i know it depends on the characters and how much one of them is "protected" as to how admissible those bios are. 😉Like i said, BM is Superman Level.
We can do:
Yes, he is.
For multiple pages, though. It all ends up the same, with no one budging.
Like always.