Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Thing is, that biography is fine and dandy, but unfortunately not admissible.Namor said few had punched him harder, when fighting BM?
Hyperion snapped his neck.
Are you serious? Why on Earth are you acting like his punch to Namor was representative of his maximum strength? If it was, then that would mean Namor's durability is greater than King Hyperion. Also, he didn't exactly hit Namor off of the planet like he did Sentry, did he?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yes and no. We can't just hand wave them away completely. If that were the case, then ALL alt reality counterparts should never give their 616 counterparts any trouble at all when they meet on a battlefield. It's a little silly to think that way. In the end we have to take them into consideration and apply such feats to the overall presentation of the character.
On panel he killed an alt Thor. He's mentioned killing many alt BMs.. Blue Marvel's own machine classified him as level 12 threat.Anyways... King Hype did stomp the Winter Guard before his tussle with BM. Ursa Major and Crimson Dynamo arent exactly lightweights. To get beat soundly heavily implies his level compared to strong metas. Ursa Major alone has tussled with Savage Hulk in the past.
They won't respond to your logical stance because well, they aren't logical beings. They would rather believe that the entire reason the author when through the trouble of stating and showing the carnage King Hyperion rendered was to show the accomplishments of a solid prime meta.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I used Namor because that was one of the sentences in the bio, AND because he was the first person I thought of who both have faced.The main reason, though, was to illustrate the gap between bios and actual depictions.
That doesn't explain why you placed such importance on Namor's claim of how hard BM hit. My point remains, any time and opponent comments on how hard another character hit him doesn't mean that the character that hit him was using their full strength and therefore it is not a measure of that character's maximum strength capabilities. You should know that as a Superman fan.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So he killed MANY alt BMs...but couldn't kill 616 BM.So 616 BM is better than all of his alt counterparts.
So alt characters are cannon fodder.
No, you missed what the point of the scene. The point of the scene was that THIS BM was willing not to hold back unlike the BMs he faced. Read it. He was hesitant to use this full power and act in the role of a hero FOR DECADES until then. This was based on how he was rejected by a racist society after being a hero and it's a central element of the character. The Alt BMs Hyperion faced were still hesitant. That's how he was different, not that he was more powerful physically.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
That doesn't explain why you placed such importance on Namor's claim of how hard BM hit. My point remains, any time and opponent comments on how hard another character hit him doesn't mean that the character that hit him was using their full strength and therefore it is not a measure of that character's maximum strength capabilities. You should know that as a Superman fan.
Not a Superman fan
But glad you brought up the holding back point.
BM held back (just like the alt BMs) and wasn't killed (unlike the alt BMs).
He then in the second fight, doesn't hold back.
Actually, I was going somewhere with this, but I'm getting bored.
Ultimates win, but Hyperion beats BM.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You gonna claim he isn't? 616 Thor flew completely through 616 Galactus's head.
he isn't. I repeat a weakened and injuried exiles Sasquatch rocked him to his knees with a single shot. Sasquatch is not galactus level. Good for thor but he didn't kill galactus
Since your claiming he is galactus level it's your duty to provide proof
Originally posted by -K-M-
Yes he isn't. Good for him but he didn't kill galactusSince your claiming he is galactus level it's your duty to provide proof
I can provide only what occurs in comics, but I also have common sense. Again, if he wasn't, then what would be the point of the scene? What would the point of him saying he has beaten Galactus in addition to Hulks, Thors and Sentrys? Answer that. This isn't a court of law by the way, this is a debate thread. The level of proof is not beyond a reasonable doubt unless you can show me in the rules where it is.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I can provide only what occurs in comics, but I also have common sense. Again, if he wasn't, then what would be the point of the scene? Answer that.
So you can't then. Clearly that the alternate reality characters do NOT equal 616 power levels. At noted his big wins mostly happened off-panel against characters with zero feats. A debate is based off of facts. We have seen him interact with 616 characters showing he clearly is NOT galactus level.
Common sense indicates Hyperion is galactus level? Haha lulz. We're done here
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not a Superman fanBut glad you brought up the holding back point.
BM held back (just like the alt BMs) and wasn't killed (unlike the alt BMs).
He then in the second fight, doesn't hold back.
Actually, I was going somewhere with this, but I'm getting bored.
Ultimates win, but Hyperion beats BM.
Let me held you out. He stopped holding back like other BMs did and won.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So he killed MANY alt BMs...but couldn't kill 616 BM.So 616 BM is better than all of his alt counterparts.
So alt characters are cannon fodder.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Hyperion killed an alternate reality Galactus are you people really going to say that Galactus was at the same power level as 616?
Why are you guys perpetuating this line of reasoning?
Originally posted by -K-M-
So you can't then. Clearly that the alternate reality characters do NOT equal 616 power levels. At noted his big wins mostly happened off-panel against characters with zero feats. A debate is based off of facts. We have seen him interact with 616 characters showing he clearly is NOT galactus level.Common sense indicates Hyperion is galactus level? Haha lulz. We're done here
He said he BEAT Galactus, not that the was "Galactus level." Those are your words. Like I said, Thor flew threw Galactus head which I believe is called a potentially fatal injury. But I wouldn't argue that Thor is at Galactus power level.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
He said he BEAT Galactus, not that the was "Galactus level." Those are your words. Like I said, Thor flew threw Galactus head which I believe is called a potentially fatal injury. But I wouldn't argue that Thor is at Galactus power level.
Actually he said "destroyed" not beaten.
Haha no.