Originally posted by Darth ThorI'm not going to deny that Luke has had some good training/experience under his belt, he does.
Yeah but those are just his first experiences. And he got further sword training in the Arena. Probably just needed time to adapt what he learned.And his force enhanced abilities were clearly pretty impressive already. ESB Luke is on a whole other level. Especially after his training with Yoda.
So even though Ren may have better dueling skill, I would still bet on Luke in a Saber/Close combat fight personally.
However fact remains he's not as experienced as Ren, his training isn't as extensive as Ren's, he hasn't got as good saber feats or hype as Ren, and he's less masterful in the Force than Ren.
So what does Luke really having going for him here that warrants at all betting on him?
Luke (to me) seems to have more natural ability, seems to be nowhere near as conflicted, and seems to have progressed at a much faster rate than any other Jedi in training I'm aware of.
Not sure Ren has better Saber feats, as tagging Vader's shoulder would be above anything Ren accomplished. Plus Luke's general close combat feats impress me more - The Boba Fett thing is hella impressive for a force user whose just started training.
Originally posted by BeniboyblingPreach it brother. Darth Thor doesn't grasp Star Wars.
A "scuffle" with Vader, a fight with a guy of undetermined skill who may or may not be Force sensitive and a few days of practice against Magnaguards =/= next to no dueling experience. And let's not forget all the above capably defeated him.And three years of uninstructed Padawan-tier practice and a week-crash course from Yoda is not going to provide him with anything more than unrefined skill, hence why Yoda claimed he wasn't ready, and again pales in comparison to the formal training Ren would have received.
Originally posted by Darth ThorThat is true, if pushed to his limits a display of potential could net him some wins.
Luke (to me) seems to have more natural ability, seems to be nowhere near as conflicted
and seems to have progressed at a much faster rate than any other Jedi in training I'm aware of.Kylo is a Skywalker as well however, so it stands to reason he'd have an above-average rate of progression too, on top of much more training.
Not sure Ren has better Saber feats, as tagging Vader's shoulder would be above anything Ren accomplished.It's a good showing, but we should also bear in mind that he did so in the contexts of a very reckless assault on Vader's part, which left him open.
Plus Luke's general close combat feats impress me more - The Boba Fett thing is hella impressive for a force user whose just started training.It's an impressive feat, but I feel by getting subsequently floored by the undercover stormtrooper suggest it proves little regarding dueling ability.
I'm sure Luke could hold his own in sabers, however I don't see Luke handling Kylo's Force powers at all well in the other rounds.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Kylo is a Skywalker as well however, so it stands to reason he'd have an above-average rate of progression too, on top of much more training.
Remember though it took Anakin Skywalker himself 10+years of training under a Jedi Knight the whole time, to get to the same sort of level Luke reached in just 4years by ROTJ.